moderated Re: jaws 2021 problems.

Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>



Of course, as requested, I ran the report, sent it to them, provided my email and followed up to insure that they got it.

As I am sure you have seen from my previous emails, a technical rep in vespero itself admitted to having this problem also.

I would say, that for the vast majority of people on this forum, they have windows home edition, which as you know, does not have the group policy editor as part of it.

Correct me if I am wrong.

As a result, if this problem is related to group policies, which clearly it is not, there would be no way to fix it on a home edition.

You are right in that unloading and reloading is not a huge thing, but if I am paying for a product, I expect it to work correctly.

There is absolutely no excuse for poor development of a product!!

I was a software developer for over 25 years, and when a problem was reported to me, I either fixed it directly, or it was fixed in the next release of the software.


Regards and stay safe,




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From: [] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday 21 February 2021 16:55
Subject: Re: jaws 2021 problems.


Hopefully you were able to run the technical support tool so Jaws can in fact try and get a better handle on this, after all, if it affects so few people those who are affected need to do their part.

Of course unloading and reloading Jaws is a work-around which doesn't require you to go out of your way that much, another one might be to run Narrator when Windows starts, i.e. at the logon screen, and to see if that fixes the issue.

A few years ago one of my 4 computers at my store (it was an identical model to one of my others) would not let me read the Windows Start menu with Jaws, nor Settings or any Windows apps like Calculator. If I went into settings Jaws would just be absolutely silent, visually I could move through the categories and if I arrowed right, for example, 3 times and pressed enter Network and Internet would open, but as I said, Jaws would not make a peep.

This went on for over a year and any time I had to do anything in Settings on that computer I had to unload Jaws and use Narrator. Then at one point I read something on a list, can't remember which one, where somebody had this issue and they had figured out the solution. The problem was that for some reason a setting in Group Policy Editor (this was a Windows pro version) had been changed. It took me all of 20 seconds to change it back and from then on all was well, Jaws read everything fine again. I may have made a note somewhere what this was, but I can't remember now and don't feel like digging around to look it up, but this goes to show how one small little setting can make a huge difference and cause a pretty major headache for a very small number of people.


Best regards,




From: <> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2021 problems.


Hi Mike,


Sorry, it was the original topic.

When jaws starts up, you cannot get at the menus.

You have to unload and reload it.

When jaws is set to start at the logon screen and to start for this user, insert+j or any other key is not available to get at the menus.

When you unload and reload it, it works just fine.

When I started the topic, I had a huge rant about it!!

You will see it from the start.

It doesn’t happen to everyone, in fact, I have only found two other people that it happens to.

Nevertheless, it is a bug, and should be fixed, given the amount of money we pay for the product.

As you can see from my previous post, this has been confirmed by Vispero.


Regards and stay safe,





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From: [] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday 20 February 2021 12:56
Subject: Re: jaws 2021 problems.


It would be nice to know what problem is being talked about.  Refresher please?

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:16 AM

Subject: Re: jaws 2021 problems.




you will see below, that after two versions of jaws, (2020 and 2021), vispero has eventually admitted, that this problem in fact, does exist.
apparently, they are looking into it.

below is the email i got from Cory jackson at vispero, after poking and prodding forever.

the squeaking wheel always gets the grease.



email below:

Hello Patrick,
I find what you have discovered about this issue very intresting.
Would it be possible for you to run the technical support tool under the Jaws help menu in order to send us a report so that we can look in to this further?
This is not the first time I have seen the issue. I actually experience it myself.
Cory Jackson

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