moderated Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

David Griffith

No Kurzweil nowadays comes with ETI Eloquence and Voice Ware Kate Paul and latterly James in later versions (AKA Neospeech).

I started out with version 11 I think but am on version 14 now. It is possible Dec Talk was available in earlier incarnations.

I have never had access to Dec Talk with Kurzweil but would have been interested in giving it a try if it was available.

David G.


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From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 February 2021 18:45
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation


I thought K1000 shipped with software DecTalk? At least, that’s what it sounds like. I had it in the early 2000s and it was sure not Eloquence then.


I like Eloquence for every day use. The reason you can’t hear those high frequencies is – well, they’re not there. It’s an 11khz synth. It’s been around forever and comes from a time when that was pretty n ormal, and there hasn’t really been any need to change it. I have the IBM TTS for nVDA that sounds a lot like Eloquence, but withs ome small pronunciation differences and a little bit more frequency response.




From: <> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: February 2, 2021 01:08 PM
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation




I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.


I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.



On 2/2/2021 10:07, Van Lant, Robin via wrote:


It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.



From: <> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation


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Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.



On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via wrote:


I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 


Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross


I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.


Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant


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