moderated Changing the subject line and contacting the modrator.

David Diamond

This in no way is a reflection on the moderation of this group.  However, the comment was made if you have any complaints to contact the moderator.  In theory that should work and often does.  However, in the example I gave, the moderator would deliberately ignore messages she did not like and basically have a hissy fit if you did not agree with her. Changing the subject line?  Definitely there are times  the subject line does not jive with the body of the message.   


From: <> On Behalf Of Maria Reyes
Sent: January 28, 2021 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


yeah when I had my tech list I tried to keep people on topic. on my general chat list however, obviously it's general chat but if it's going to be a long thread, I would ask you to change the subject line as the subject changes.

want to talk about all sorts of topics? join my list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-request@... with subscribe in the subject field.

On Jan 28, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...> wrote:

Yeah, I am glad I am not on his list...

On 1/28/2021 5:00 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Someone had a good dose of their cranky pills this morning. Smile.   


From: <> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via
Sent: January 28, 2021 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member



So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:





On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.
 -----Original Message----
 From: <> On Behalf Of Laura
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To:
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >   From: <> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To:
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >              ~ André Gide
 Laura Shumate
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684

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