So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:

lind-talk+subscribe@groups.io

Gerald

That sounds more like a complaint.

Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before

going home.

But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative

consequences.

And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of

that.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM

Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the

end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After

seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it

was over whelming to her.

 -----Original Message----

 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura

 Shumate

 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM

 To: main@jfw.groups.io

 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology

is a

 cool thing.

 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said

after

 a day he wanted no more to do with it.

 Laura Shumate

 snowflake122188@...

 Business Phone: 254-300-7667

 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684

 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:

 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.

 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the

 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or

 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of

 sight.

 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then

 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.

 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those

 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or

 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as

 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there

would

 be no way to police it.

 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a

 > problem lister.

 > Glenn

 > ----- Original Message -----

 > From: Randy Barnett

 > To: main@jfw.groups.io

 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM

 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 >

 >

 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they

 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing

 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

 >

 >

 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

 >

 >

 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the

 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after

 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?

 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How

 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they

 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft

 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I

 > could see it I would not be calling your department.

 >

 >

 >

 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM

 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io

 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 >

 >

 >

 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I

 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

 >

 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in

 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.

 >   --

 >

 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

 >

 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of

 > the shore for a very long time.

 >

 >              ~ André Gide

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 --

 Laura Shumate

 snowflake122188@...

 Business Phone: 254-300-7667

 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684