moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
I personally would welcome sighted persons to join this list. That would be just 1 fewer person that I would have to educate about how us blind people use a computer. And, anyway, how would we know if a person joining this list is sighted or blind ?
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From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
I would relate this to Jaws in that when I would at times, teach Jaws and keyboarding in a classroom with students wearing blindfolds, I would turn out the lights, as often people would be tempted to peek.
I would also turn off the monitors.
Back when I was sighted in high school, and in typing class, the teacher made everyone tape a sheet of paper over the keys and put our hands under them to type.
She made us do this every day, I don't know why she just didn't leave the paper, but it was an exercise in itself I guess.
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion. To join, send a blank message to:
On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That sounds more like a complaint. Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before going home. But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative consequences. And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of that. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Diamond" mailto:Daviddiamond2019@... To: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it was over whelming to her. -----Original Message---- From: email@example.com mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org On Behalf Of Laura Shumate Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology is a cool thing. I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said after a day he wanted no more to do with it. Laura Shumate snowflake122188@... Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny mailto:glennervin@... wrote: > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds. > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight. > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught. > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or > gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it. > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a > problem lister. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Randy Barnett > To: firstname.lastname@example.org > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us. > > > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote: > > > I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after > Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point? > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they > are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I > could see it I would not be calling your department. > > > > From: email@example.com mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org On Behalf Of Brian Vogel > Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM > To: email@example.com > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > > > Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem. > > I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same. > -- > > Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 > > One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of > the shore for a very long time. > > ~ André Gide > > > > > > > -- Laura Shumate snowflake122188@... Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684