moderated Re: Using hyphen


Mario
 

using Eloquence with JAWS, to me, it sounds more like en dash.

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From: Van Lant, Robin via groups.io [mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io]
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Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 3:08 PM
Subject: Using hyphen
To echo what Bill pointed out, sighted readers will be a bit confused by
someone using a simple hyphen between words since it is visually shorter
in length, rather than the m Dash the autocorrection makes.  Better to
leave it to autocorrect and just know why JAWS is saying m dash.  I
agree; at least with Vocalizer Nathan, it sounds more like “on dash”.

leave

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It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an
“M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH.

If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.”

So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name.

A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you
write hello-goodbye  with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says
“dash” when it really should say “hyphen”.

Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis.

A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which
irritates me, but what is one going to do.

That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between
lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the
word is supposed to be joined.

But screen readers are not grammar teachers.

Richard

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Don Walls
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Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman).  If you
type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.

Don

*From:*kevin meyers

*Sent:*Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:*Using hyphen

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when
it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying
on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the
hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

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