moderated Re: android vs ios.

Tyler Wood

To be fair, it is very rare (in fact almost non existent these days) to have
an Android phone, at least one which is from a known brand, that is, for all
intents and purposes, inaccessible. Talkback will speak out of the box, the
basic features of the phone are useable from the get go and even more
advanced features are too, in most cases unless you buy a very little known
brand or one that changes vast parts of the layout, which doesn't seem to be
happening near as much these days.
Holding google to the same standards as apple in the accessibility regard is
vastly more complicated by the number of Android phones released. Apple
releases 2 phones in a year - google is far different. Android is an
operating system that thousands of handsets can run, and the freedom of
Android is simply what can be done under the hood and otherwise. Samsung,
Motorola (or moto), Google's own Pixel lineup, OnePlus, Asus, ZTE, Sony, LG,
and many other brands are very much accessible and useable these days, and
as mentioned below, do take the time to make sure that you can indeed get
accessibility to run and are able to navigate the device. Motorola and LG
are very stock Android - just like the Pixel. Samsung does make small
changes, but they don't impact accessibility and I'd argue that having their
own voice assistant does add yet one more screen reader to the mix, which is
helpful. With Android, it's really what you want from the hardware. Do you
want stereo speakers? A good camera? A huge, gigantic battery AKA Moto g 7
power with its 5000 mAH? You can pick and choose based on the hardware
specifications and your price point and aren't restricted to what apple
throws at you.
I'm really hoping this newest leak regarding the iPhone 12 not coming with a
power brick is false. If true, Apple will forever be the laughing stock -
who actually provides a $1000 plus device then has the gall to charge their
customers extra to keep it charged? Even the moto e and g series, phones
that are $150, give you a quick charge adapter that charges from 0-50% in 30

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: android vs ios.

Braille Back is not very well developed and is another separate program. The
last time I used it crashed regularly. Also you didn't get the same feature
set as TalkBack. It should be in TalkBack, not a different program. Braille
Support on Mobile is nothing special. Basically all which happens is what is
spoken is what is shown on the braille display. Nothing has been done to
help the Braille Real Estate in abbreviation of commonly roles and etc which
is done in the windows screen readers. Such as Btn for button.

A comment was made that Samsung model phones 6 and higher, accessibility
improved. But lower models are very hit and miss for accessibility. This is
an argument for using Apple. As all their models are accessible. Google
should have made some form of policy to make any modifications by a mobile
phone vendor the changes are accessible and do not impact Googles OS and
accessibility framework. Hence any changes to the OS does not impact
accessibility features. If this was done, then all phones in theory would be

The story end is to use the phone you like. All these discussion points
might help you with your decisions. Take the emotion out of the decision and
test the phones. The support you get when testing a phone will be a big
player. If the mobile store will not allow you to install or use the
accessibility feature speaks volumes.

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Nermin via
Sent: Monday, 29 June 2020 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: android vs ios.


so long as BRLTTY supports it, chances are it will work. There are options
to try more generic drivers is a specific model does not connect or
whatever, so no idea what display will work.

I would assume most will by now. You can always contact the authors ot ask
if they'll include a display driver and model.

I am planning on giving my Actilino the BRLTTY treatment. By the way,
Brailleback is based on BRLTTY anyway.



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