moderated Re: Antivirus software.


Don, I don't remember if you use JAWS/NVDA or have enough sight to manipulate things displayed on the screen with a mouse, but I find it very difficult to use Eset with NVDA or JAWS. the wording throughout it's UI sounds very garbled and upon further inspection, actually are two to five or more words following each other with no spaces between the words. it's very frustrating to make sense of what is being pronounced. for one of my computers, I'm thinking of not renewing when the subscription runs out. unless some smart user has written some scripts for JAWS or an addon for NVDA to more effectively use Eset.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Don Mauck [mailto:don.mauck@...]
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 3:42 PM
Subject: Antivirus software.
For me, I’m very happy with the ESET suite of products. I’ve never been
a victim of Malware or any other virus. While free is nice and Windows
Defender works well enough, I’m very glad o take the extra protection I
very happy with ESET.

*From:* Brian Vogel <@britechguy>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 1:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: Antivirus software.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Windows Defender is a strong anti virus program and while paid ones
may have stronger points

Dan, what follows is not a criticism of what you've said, which is 100%
accurate, but an addition.  Any other product, paid or free (at least
potentially), may do better than Windows Security does with a given
thing.  That's shown time and again in formal tests where each and every
major security suite product changes position, often from the last test
to the current one, because one of the things tested that's given more
weight than others improves in one product while staying the same in others.

This is one reason why any statement that product X is better than
product Y, without any qualifications, and regardless of the product, is
nothing more than an opinion.  You need to be able to identify what it
is that's better, and why, between X and Y across all significant
dimensions, how you weight those, and that product X is better across a
majority of them before you can declare it better with any objectivity.

I can, and have, given my subjective opinions about what I like best,
but that does not make it "best for all users and situations."  I
generally try to describe what my criteria were.

So, I'll repeat myself, as I've posted this before.  But the closest
thing you (any you) are going to find that are at least somewhat
objective measures of the effectiveness of a given security suite across
multiple dimensions/functions is to look at the reports from testing
labs, and not just the latest one, but going back at least a year,
preferably two, to see how the various products have changed places over
time, and how the different testers weight things differently such that
one declares suite X superior to suite Y while another says just the
opposite, but both place them in the top tier of products.  There are no
simple declarations with regard to security software.

/*See the most recent plus the last several years of historical test
results from:*/

/*AV Test*/

/*AV Comparatives*/

/*SE Labs*/

(Reports Page)*/

/*MRG Effitas*/

(360 Protection Testing Category)*/*/

/This article from Quietman7, a security expert at,
makes for interesting reading, too, and directly pertains to the sorts
of testing referenced above: //*/*Reflections on Antivirus/Antimalware
Testing & Comparisons*/


Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it./
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

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