moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Abraham Sweiss

I agree. All I use now for security on windows 10 windows defender and windows firewall.
They perform as well or better than the third party options.
However there is no one single product which will protect you from anything or yourself.


On Mar 5, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Glenn / Lenny <> wrote:

Windows existed long before windows XP, and had no virus protection other
than third-party software.
And when it did start producing something, it was under par compared with
the third-party software.
Now it has gotten its act together, since Windows 7.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Hello Glen:

I do not know where you got the idea that Microsoft were reluctant to
produce their own Antivirus software. If that was the case, why did they
produce Microsoft Essentials for Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7.

As far as I know, Windows Defender, including its Antivirus component, was
always going to be available as the default protection software, for
windows8, 8.1 and Windows 10.

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

I agree, I only use Microsoft's Defender, and I must say that it was long
over-due, Microsoft should have been protecting their system from the
I think that they were getting into trouble with anti-trust suits like
it's Internet Explorer and other such programs that seemed to keep the
competition out, so MS was reluctant to make its own anti-virus program
fear that they were again killing off competition.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Longmore" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

While I appreciate your feelings , the most recent Freedom Scientific
podcast stated that Windows Defender is very effective and the most
effective anti virus for most users. And Eric from Vespero said this
that you are not "doing something stupid" while surfing the net.
I have used Windows Defender and has done just fine. Now, nothing against
other anti virus programs but let's not trash Defender just based on
personal experiences or preferences.

PS Many days I have your same feelings toward JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Emre Rencber
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Windows defender is not effective. A completely fiasco software. We know
that the first virus in computer history was written by Bill Gates. So why
do we trust Microsoft so much? Kaspersky says there is no such thing. They
even say we can show our source code. Despite this, I do not go and use an
antivirus that does nothing. Kaspersky also has a free antivirus.

2020-03-04 16:19 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here
in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs
and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based
company has been banned from doing business with US government
agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.
Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's
real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political
beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when
Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his


On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:


So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from
around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our
Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:* <> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may
even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the
outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even
have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these
allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows
Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?


On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings.
I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with

using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS
being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with
tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working
after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a
Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without
uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I
honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and,
as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in
the main window. If you access the program from the system tray
choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve
for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about
scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but
it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019 <>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS
user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound
design and other things. I have came here to discuss this
great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to
the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use
the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).


Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

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