moderated Re: KeePass Overview for managing passwords



Well, it sounds as if how we use a passwords manager is different. I've
never been a fan of browser extensions nor of automatic anything especially
where my passwords and providing them to a website or anywhere else is
concerned. And I don't find it inconvenient to launch KeePass, quickly
search for a password entry, and copy its password for pasting to a site so
we'll have to agree to disagree where KeePass is concerned.

Alan Lemly

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From: [] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: KeePass Overview for managing passwords

Well, for keepass to be of any real use, you need browser extensions so it
will fill the password into your form when you are logging in somewhere --
if you don't do that you have to go into your database,
find the item and copy the password which I found to be a pain. I
had lots of problems with Keepass touch on IOS you had to subscribe to it to
enable autofill and I never got that feature to work properly, even after
much correspondence with them. They do have keepass http, but its broke in
Chrome and in firefox it sort of works, but not well.

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:41:30 -0500,
Alan Lemly wrote:


I'm a bit puzzled by your below post. I don't know about KeePass on the
Mac as I use Windows but KeePass Touch on iOS works very well with my
KeePass kdbx database synced using Dropbox. And I'm not sure what Chrome has
to do with KeePass. I maintain the passwords database on my local Windows
computer with the installed KeePass program and no browser, Chrome or
otherwise, is involved with its administration. And maybe you could explain
what you mean by its implementations being done by volunteers. My overview
was written so that individuals could use KeePass to manage their own
passwords so I'm confused by your implementation reference.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: KeePass Overview for managing passwords

Just to let people know, it no longer works on the mac and its various IOS
implementations are not very good, its all done by volunteers and so the
implementations vary a lot in quality depending on who is doing them. It
seems not to work with Chrome, or last time I looked.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 22:46:35 -0500,
Judy Redlich wrote:

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program. I like it too. Thank you for sending the overview. I started
using it about a year ago.
On Feb 15, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Alan Lemly <@walemly> wrote:

I promised this overview of the KeePass program about a month ago and
I apologize for the delay in completing it. The full overview with navigable
headings follows my signature.

Alan Lemly

I'm writing an overview of how to use the basic features of the
KeePass program to manage your passwords with your computer. I'm running
Windows 7 with Fusion 2019 and using KeePass version 2.44, the most recent
downloadable version, for purposes of this discussion. I will include
navigable headings where appropriate and since I'm sending this post in html
format, these headings should be maintained. This document was completed on
February 15, 2020.
KeePass is an open source program available for free for maintaining a
user's passwords. This discussion will be about running KeePass on a Windows
computer but my understanding is that it will also run on Linux and Mac OS
X. Note the spelling of the program which appears to be a combination of
the words keep and an abbreviation of password and don't make the mistake I
did thinking it's spelled like a key to unlock something. KeePass is
basically a small database management system where the underlying records
are your passwords. A database is really just a table or spreadsheet of
information where each row represents a record and each column represents a
field of data for that record. For password records, the main fields in
KeePass are Title, User Name, and Password where Title is the item with the
password such as NLS BARD account. Be aware that KeePass has two main
versions and various build iterations of each, version 1.x and version 2.x.
I recommend you use versi!
on 2.x as I believe it contains more accessibility and this discussion will
be about it.
KeePass Website
The main KeePass website can be found here:

The site contains a lot of helpful information and I'd recommend you
explore it to gather what you need. I'd suggest you start by pressing Insert
+ F7 to generate a list of links and arrow through them to find your
interests most quickly. You can go to the Downloads link from this list or
use the following link to download the KeePass program:

KeePass has both fully installable and portable versions. As you arrow
through the available downloads, you can pick whether you want the
installer which will be an exe file or the Portable version which will be a
zip file. As you know, Portable versions don't add anything to your registry
and can be copied to a flash drive for portability after being unzipped.
Running KeePass the first time
I installed the fully installable version of KeePass a few years back
when I started using it and I have no intention of uninstalling it for
purposes of this overview. Be aware of that so if you experience something
different from my explanation, the reason might relate to this. I will
attempt to mirror a new installation by creating a new KeePass database file
that will hopefully yield similar results to those who are installing it for
the first time.

When I pressed Ctrl + n to create an new KeePass database file, I was
prompted to save it with the name Database.kdbx in the same folder of my
existing KeePass database. First time users of the program will probably get
different results but I'd recommend that if you're a Dropbox user, that you
save your KeePass database kdbx file in your Dropbox folder. This will make
syncing it with a mobile device discussed later much easier. You should
make note of this file name in order to make it easier to find in the
future. After providing the database filename and location, you are in a
dialog box to create your composite master key which is your master password
to access your KeePass database. Choose a password that isn't easily cracked
but that you can easily remember. This will be the only password you have to
remember going forward because all the others will be housed in KeePass to
recall as needed. Type in your master password and tab once where you'll
land on a checkb!
ox that is checked to hide the password value using asterisks. Tab again
to reenter your master password. Tab once which takes you to a Show expert
options checkbox which you should leave unchecked. Tab again which takes you
to a Help button which you can tab past to the ok button which you should
execute. You will be taken to a create new password database dialog box
which is multi tabbed with tabs for General, Security, Compression, Recycle
Bin, and Advanced. Each of these tabs contain settings for the password
database but accept for the General tab discussed below, the defaults are
fine and can be ignored. You will be located on the General tab when you
first enter this dialog in the database name text box. I would recommend
leaving this text box blank and referring to your KeePass database by its
filename previously assigned. Tab again and you'll be taken to a database
description text box that you can also leave blank. In my opinion, these
last two items are for t!
hose who have more than one KeePass database file which I stro!
ngly discourage for purposes of this discussion. Tab again and you'll move
to the default user name for new entries text box. This will be the assigned
user name whenever you create a new entry in your KeePass database and I'd
suggest typing your email address here. My experience has been that an email
address is most commonly the user name for an account and this saves a step
when creating a new password entry. Tab again and you'll move to the custom
database color checkbox which you can leave unchecked. Tab until you hear
ok and press enter. You are then prompted if you'd like to print a KeePass
emergency sheet which will contain all the information needed to open your
database. If desired, this should be printed and saved in a safe place or
you can skip this step.

Adding entries to your new database Adding a group
KeePass uses groups to categorize entries into its passwords database.
Think of groups like folders in Outlook or like subfolders on a Windows
computer for purposes of providing an organization structure to your files.
Use of KeePass groups will make it much easier to access your passwords when
you have hundreds of entries as I do. Also, the program developer has said
putting all entries in one group will cause the program to work less
efficiently when entries become numerous. The default groups KeePass
contains when first launched are General, Windows, Network, Internet, Email,
and Homebanking. These are shown on the left side of the KeePass screen
indented below the database name to which they belong. In this discussion,
remember that I named my KeePass kdbx file Database so the default groups
just listed are shown below Database in my program. You can arrow up and
down through these groups to pick the appropriate one to house your new
password entry. If you do not!
want to use any of the default groups, arrow up to your database name,
press shift + F10 to open a context menu, arrow down to Add group, and press
enter. You will be placed in an add group dialog where you can type the
group name desired, tab to pick an icon which you can ignore, tab to an
expires checkbox which I recommend you leave unchecked, and tab until you
hear ok and press enter. I suggest you leave the expires checkbox and date
unchecked because I don't think you want your password groups to expire.
Focus will be on the group you just created. You can have subgroups below
groups so make sure focus is on the database name when creating a new group
so you won't end up with numerous group levels unless that is what you
prefer. My preference is to have only one level of groups so I'm clear where
I am when arrowing up and down a sorted list. Be aware that groups are not
automatically sorted. For this discussion, I added a new group named
Finance which was placed as t!
he last group in the group even though it's not the last alpha!
betically. To change the order of your groups, tab or shift + tab until you
hear tree view and arrow up until focus is on your database name, Database
in this example. Press shift + F10 to open the context menu, arrow down to
Rearrange submenu and right arrow to open the submenu and down arrow to Sort
direct subgroups and press enter. All the subgroups in your database will
now be sorted alphabetically.
Adding a new password
You can add an new password entry to your KeePass database by pressing
ctrl + i. Remember, whichever group has focus when you press this hotkey
will contain the new entry. You can arrow up and down your groups to ensure
the desired one has focus. This is important because KeePass does not
provide a group entry field when adding a new record since it's
automatically assigned based on the group with focus. For this example, I'm
creating a new password in my Finance group. When pressing ctrl + I, a
multi-tabbed dialog opens with the Entry tab containing focus and the Title
text box containing the cursor. Type the title best suited for you to find
this entry later. For this example, I'm using Bank online account. Tab once
and you're prompted to pick an icon which you can ignore, tab again and
you'll be in the user name text box which should already be populated with
your email address. Use that email address if appropriate or type in a new
user name and tab. A default pass!
word will be shown as asterisks and highlighted. You should type in the
password you desire for this entry. Tab once where you'll land on a hide
field using asterisks checkbox which is checked and which you can tab past.
You will then be on the repeat password text box where the original default
asterisked password is highlighted and must be retyped with your new
password which matches the one previously entered. Tab once and you'll be on
a generate a password button which you can use if you don't wish to use your
own password. If you execute this generate a password button which I don't
recommend, a context menu of choices will open that you can arrow through to
select the desired option. Since I don't recommend using this, I'm not
covering those options. Tab again and you'll be in a URL text box where you
can enter the web URL associated with this account if desired. Tab again and
you'll be in a Notes text box where you can store any notes related to this
entry. Tab agai!
n and you'll be on an Expires checkbox which I don't recommend!
using. If you do check it, tab again and enter the desired date of
expiration. Tab again and you'll be on a button to select one of the
standard expire times. Tab again to ok and press enter to complete the
entry. You will be on a two vertical pane screen not unlike a Windows
Explorer screen where folders are listed on the left side and the files they
contain are listed on the right side. In this case, your KeePass groups are
listed on the left and the entries in the group with focus is listed on the
right. The entry you just created contains focus. If you shift tab, Fusion
announces tree view and moves focus to the password's host group, Finance in
this example, and the group name will be spoken. Tab back and list view will
be spoken and the name of the entry with focus with some of its details will
be spoken. Pressing enter while n the passwords list view will open an edit
box for the entry with focus. The Entry tab previously discussed will
contain focus. While the Entr!
y tab contains most of what you need to manage password entries, i.e.,
titles, user names, and passwords, I'm going to discuss one other tab in
this multi-tabbed entry edit dialog. Press ctrl + tab to move to the
Advanced tab. When you tab once, you'll be placed in a string fields list.
String fields are great for creating your own custom fields. For example, in
my Bank online account entry, I want to track the account's fed routing
number and the account number so I will set up two custom string fields to
do so. Tab once out of string fields list box and you'll be on an add button
where you press enter. You will land in a name text box where edit is
spoken. Type the name for this custom field and for my example, I'll type
FedRoute. If you've previously set up string fields for this database, a
list of previous field names will be presented when you start typing
characters. This doesn't apply here so I'll tab once after entering the name
and be placed in the value text b!
ox. A fed routing code is a 9-digit number so I'll type in 123456789 fo!
r purposes of this example. Tab once where you'll land on an enable in
memory protection checkbox which you can ignore. Tab again to the ok button
and press enter. Focus should again be on the Add button which I will
execute in order to add another custom string field. I'm back in the Name
text box for this custom string field where I'll type AcctNum. I'll tab once
to the value text box and type 456789. I'll tab to the ok button and press
enter to complete the addition of this second custom string field and its
value. I'll then tab to the ok button and press enter to complete the entry
of this custom string field. Focus moves to a File attachments list view
which is blank because I have none. Tab once to move to an Attach button if
you'd like to attach a file to this entry. Tab again to the Ok button and
press enter to complete the edit of this password entry. Focus returns to
the list view with the last edited entry containing focus.
Exiting the database
More than one way exists to exit your KeePass database. I like to
leave mine running to make access easier and I'll discuss the settings to
control this later. For now, press alt + spacebar and arrow down to minimize
and press enter. You will be placed on an option to save database changes
before locking the workspace since we've just modified our database. Press
enter to save it. KeePass remembers which group contained focus when the
database was last saved and that group will have focus the next time you
open KeePass.
KeePass options
KeePass has a number of option settings that can be accessed from the
Tools, Options menu. I mainly use the default settings but will describe a
couple of suggested settings that I use. With KeePass open, press the alt
key to activate the topline menu and right arrow to Tools. When Tools is
spoken, down arrow once to open the Tools submenu and up arrow once to land
on Options and press enter. A multi-tabbed Options dialog will open with
tabs for Security, Policy, Interface, Integration, and Advanced. Security
has focus and I'm going to turn off one of its default settings. Tab once
and Lock workspace after KeePass inactivity will be spoken which means you
are in the list of Security options which you can down arrow through. I then
down arrow to the Use 'Clipboard Viewer Ignore' clipboard format checkbox
which I make sure is unchecked. I'm the only person using my computer and I
use a clipboard manager program named Ditto which allows me to browse
previous items copied!
to my clipboard. I find this especially helpful for browsing items copied
from my KeePass database but if this option is left checked, KeePass won't
allow Ditto to do this. You may be happy with the default setting not to
allow this which is a more secure setting. Next, press ctrl + tab to move to
the Integration tab. Tab once and you'll be in a system wide hotkeys
section in the global auto-type text box which I don't use. Tab again and
you're on the Global auto-type - password only text box which I have set to
none. Tab again and you're on the Auto-type selected entry which I have set
to none. Tab once more and you're in the Show KeePass window hotkey box. I
have this set to ctrl + alt + shift + k so that when I press this
combination, a KeePass window will open prompting me for my master password.
KeePass always remembers the last kdbx file on exiting the program. While
this hotkey text box has focus, press the key combination you want to set
here. Continue to tab un!
til you hear Run KeePass at Windows startup checkbox and make !
sure it is checked. I think it is a good idea to have KeePass running at
all times to make accessing your stored passwords easier when using your
computer. Tab until you hear ok and press enter to complete setting your
Opening KeePass
How you open KeePass could vary depending on your option settings. I
have KeePass set to run automatically at Windows startup so I'm presented
with a KeePass login window at system start where I provide my password. I
have my options set to lock KeePass whenever I minimize it so that the
master password is required in order to review the passwords in its
database. I can open a new KeePass window by pressing ctrl + alt + shift +
k which I described earlier in the options section. To open KeePass, you
might need to execute a desktop icon on your system depending on how you
installed KeePass and your option settings.

When you open KeePass, you should be asked for your master password.
After that is typed and accepted, your database will open and focus will be
in a search box where you can type the title keyword to locate an existing
entry. After typing the search term and pressing enter, the list of entries
matching will be presented in the list view. You can tab once to access the
tree view of groups and tab again to reach the list view of entries which
match. You can then arrow up and down the list until you find the one you
Accessing the passwords in the list view When focus is on the
password entry you want, you can press ctrl + c to copy its password
to the clipboard. You can easily paste it to another computer program or
website by pressing ctrl + v when on a text box seeking a password. Also,
when focus is on an entry in the KeePass list view, you can press ctrl + b
to copy that entry's user name to the clipboard. Finally, you can press
shift + F10 on the entry with focus and a context menu will open which you
can arrow up and down through to select an item of choice. If you set up
custom string fields for this entry, one of the context menu choices is the
copy field submenu and when you right arrow on it, you will be provided a
list of the custom string fields set up and pressing enter on the custom
field name will copy its value to the clipboard. This is very handy
especially if you use a clipboard manager such as Ditto that allows you to
peruse your clipboard entries for selection and pasting.
KeePass on your mobile device
With the explosion of mobile devices for accessing content, having
access to your KeePass database on such devices is critical. This discussion
will focus on iOS since I use an iPhone but the main issue for both iOS and
Android is that you will have to know the name of your KeePass kdbx file on
your computer and make it available to your mobile device whether you are
running iOS or Android. This is why I recommended earlier that you save your
KeePass kdbx file in a Dropbox folder on your computer which makes it much
easier to share with a mobile device.
I have used two different iOS apps for accessing my KeePass database
on my iPhone. The first was Mini KeePass which unfortunately is no longer
available and the second is KeePass Touch which is free with ads or is 99
cents without ads. KeePass Touch is much better in my opinion because it can
be synced with the same kdbx database used by your computer using Dropbox.
With KeePass Touch, when you sign into the app after turning on Touch ID,
you have access to all your passwords without providing the master password
manually. When you navigate to your password field, you can double tap on
the screen to copy it to the clipboard for easy pasting to another app.
KeePass Touch also has a search feature at the top of its main screen for
locating specific entries by keyword. iOS has other apps that work with
KeePass databases but I'm unfamiliar with their accessibility or cost. I
suggest you search the App Store for KeePass and see what comes up if
KeePass Touch doesn't inter!
est you.
I have only very limited experience with Android but I did install the
KeePass Droid app which was free on a Moto X4 phone. I did nothing more than
install the app so can't offer any instructions on its use.
Dropbox download link for this overview For those wishing to
download this overview to your device in html format, you can use the
following Dropbox link:

Alan Lemly

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