moderated Re: How to close documents in JAWS 2020

JM Casey

Hm, I admittedly have been using JAWS since 1999, but FS's way seems right to me -- a "modifier" just means that you hold down that key and press with other keys to perform a function that the latter keys would not normally perform. In windows, control, alt, shift, etc, are all modifiers. Neither insert or caps lock is normally a modifier; they are only so because of a screen-reader. Why would they say "insert" only, when not everyone uses the insert key? Even some users prefer to keep their num lock on so they can use it to type numbers very quickly, in which case, that key becomes a 0. They use the term "modifier" or "jaws key", precisely because it's not always the same key. That seems less confusing than referring to a key that may not be in use!

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: December 22, 2019 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: How to close documents in JAWS 2020

David, I am not Richard but I totally agree with him that it is just stupid to press a "modifier" key which suppose to be less confusing than saying to press the insert key. but in response to your explaination, if the user is using a laptop and the modifier key is the caps lock, and he/she presses modifier+j to summon the JAWS window, would pressing the
insert+j not do the same? of course it would. just because FS names the
modifier key a modifier key does not change the function of that key. it still performs as if the insert key was pressed. I think it is more confusing especially to a new user who is starting to use a screen reader to use a "modifier" key for commands that use the insert function instead of using the insert key, as if the modifier key is performing a special function because a screen reader is being used.

-------- Original Message --------
From: David Goldfield []
To: <>
Date: Sunday, December 22, 2019, 7:10 AM
Subject: How to close documents in JAWS 2020 Richard,

The issue is that the special screen reader modifier key, such as what is called the JAWS key, is not necessarily mapped to the insert key.
Some users, particularly those without a numeric keypad, may choose to have the Caps Lock key assigned as their special modifier key. In that instance, the documentation would be both wrong and potentially confusing if it made references to using the insert key since that key could, potentially, be disabled.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

On 12/21/2019 3:19 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Yes, this is certainly not a Jaws issue at all.

I think Freedom Scientific sets people up for confusion when they do things like rename keys.

The insert key is the insert key; it just so happens that insert plus a variety of keys are used as Jaws commands, but it is still the insert key.

NVDA does the same, in my opinion, stupid thing by calling the same key the NVDA key.


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*From:* <> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Saturday, December 21, 2019 12:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: How to close documents in JAWS 2020

And a big, "Oops, my bad!," on the ALT+F4 bit, which does, as Richard said, close a program.

But the principle of these being Windows keyboard shortcuts, unrelated to JAWS or any other screen reader, still stands. Something else is afoot here.

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

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