I guess it’s all about how you get used to things, I never
use the home/end and Page Up/Down keys on the 6-pack since I find it more
convenient to use them on the numeric pad, e.g. I press Numpad 7 or Control
Numpad 7 if I want Home or Control + Home and Numpad 1 or Control Numpad 1 if
I want End or Control + End. The same goes for Numpad 3 for Page Down and
Numpad 9 for Page Up.
As for the application key Shift + F10 does the same as the
Application Key, in fact, Shift + F10 gives you the so-called extended context
menu which often has more options than just pressing the application
Before I recently purchased mechanical keyboards at my
store I had Logitech keyboard/mouse combos for years and none of them had an
application key or a right Windows key and even now that I have them I have to
make a conscious effort to use them again although I am starting to get more
accustomed to it again.
From: email@example.com <firstname.lastname@example.org>
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:46
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard
Thanks for all of this great information.
I now have two questions:
1. If you don’t have the six-pack containing the home
and end keys, how do you get to the top and bottom of a document on a Windows
7 or 10 computer, using Jaws? I use the control home and control end
commands to accomplish this.
2. If you don’t have an applications key, how do
you get to the context menus like we do with Jaws for many applications?
Can you use shift F10 for this purpose?
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Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30
BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations
If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably
your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an
iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function
keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because
it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack
and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s
underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the
width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up
the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow
above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.
The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth
keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if
you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer
won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC
that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via
You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you
could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do
is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.
The one issue is that the function keys will not work as
regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where
you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have
sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you
check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about
If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN
along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3
switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows
computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN
Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new
Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech
MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity,
also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the
keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can
easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday
special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be
Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless
mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy,
but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working
application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB
dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard,
I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as
much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which
are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day
I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to
find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian
which means probably $79.99 US.
I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my
main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a
keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon
Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also
$59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.
I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic
for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work
that I do.
Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations
for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.
I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my
main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio
I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but
here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:
1. I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with
both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward
2. I’d like to be able to easily switch from one
device to the next
3. Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d
prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than
built-in. Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any
batteries easily and reliably.
4. I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and
to include the number pad.
5. I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not
exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.
I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d
give it a try here. Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good
fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.
Thanks for any assistance.