That's all right, John. I don't need to talk to the fellow about Ted Henter's character. I just finished reading the Steve Jobs biography, and I still like my iPod Touch!
Gary King
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sherrer" <john@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked You could bd right about the name, but I was close. But as for the rest of
the story I can connect you with the fellow I was talking about.
Jojhn
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked
I can't speak to the accuracy of the rest of your message, but the creator
of JAWS is Ted Hinter, not Tom Hinter.
Gary King
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked
I know the fellow responsible for JAWS making the move from DOS to windows.
IN Those days you could call JAWS and speak to Tom Hinter. This fellow
did
this, he called Microsoft many times until he found a fellow wanting to
hook
up with someone to make Windows Accessible. He got the two men together
b;y
phone, and the process started that make JAWS for Windows. This fellow
called Tom Hinter and asked for a free version of JAWS for Windows, and
Tom
told him to buy a copy. That is how Tom Hinter thanked this fellow.
John
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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked
So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?
You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.
What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.
There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.
Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.
Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.
However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.
Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.
Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.
Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?
Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.
On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@...> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i certainly do
get it.
On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,
I like your style.
To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.
A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.
Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.
Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much
more
practical for my family financially.
Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?
Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.
I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.
On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:
Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?
-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try
to
do things the honest way!
On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing
-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
Hi all,
can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?
email me off list!!!
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