I also forgot about a utility that I have used in
Linux for Windows passwords and I think this may be on the Win PE disk I
referenced as well, it is called chntpw
The letters stand for change NT
Password
Glenn
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:31
PM
Subject: Re: Used computer
I did this on Windows 10, and I could have done
this on Windows 10 with a Windows 7 Win PE disk.
When Win PE loads, it is a separate operating
system, and it is accessing the hard drive as though it was a drive just
plugged into the computer.
Glenn
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Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:24
PM
Subject: Re: Used computer
My sister had a Windows seven HP computer when
she tried to update it it would not except the update to Windows 10. Thus I
think secret is right even if it could be restored who’s to say it would
work with windows 10 installed.
And then the question remains that if you did this a
few years ago when Windows 10 first came out whether it it still possible
today since every update brings security changes and enhancements.
I
really would have been surprised if a password was stored somewhere in clear
text where it could easily be retrieved.
I CC the Win 10 list here
because there are some very good people on there including some from
Microsoft and maybe they can clarify this. The question is:
If somebody
was given a Windows 10 computer, let's assume it has a fairly recent version
of Windows 10 like 1903 or at least 1809, are they utilities which can be
easily obtained which would allow for the password to be retrieved or even
changed to something new and by that I mean could I change the password on
the main account without knowing the original?
I think this might be
something joseph or Brian might be able to comment
on.
Regards,
Sieghard
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From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:59 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer
Now that I remember
it, it's been a while since I've had to do this for someone who didn't have
their password, I think the tool that comes on Win PE only allows you to
change it, not retrieve it.
I believe passwords are encrypted into the
registry and it would take some heavy duty encryption software to crack the
encryption.
But whenever I change the password for someone, that is as
good as knowing the original, as you then log into that account with the
password you created and the original password is no longer valid.
It is
all the product keys that you can display as well with that Win PE and that
is what I recalled one of the utilities showing .
I had one friend who
let her sister use her computer and that was around the time when Microsoft
released Windows 10 as an update which pissed off lots of people, her sister
thought that she was just updating my friend's computer and she actually
upgraded it to 10 and when it rebooted, it needed to create an account with
a password, and her sister forgot what she put in, so my friend could not
get into her own computer any more.
I've gotten the passwords on a couple
other computers as well, for myself and for other friends.
There I go
again, I didn't get the passwords, I changed them, but like I mentioned,
affectively the same thing.
Glenn
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-----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To:
<main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:41
PM
Subject: Re: Used computer
> Any one of them that Carlos
made that come up talking with NVDA, 10
> included.
>
Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Majid Hussain"
<mhussaincov93@...>
> To:
<main@jfw.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34
PM
> Subject: Re: Used computer
>
>
>> would you
be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
>> ??
>>
Majid
>>
>> On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny
<glennervin@...> wrote:
>>> If you burn the
talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can
>>> detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on
it.
>>> That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with
Eloquence.
>>> Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message
-----
>>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel"
<sieghard@...>
>>> To:
<main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019
2:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, no password
can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
>>> I still would
like to know about Windows passwords and if they can
>>> really
be
>>>
>>> discovered as easily as Glen and some
others here say they can.
>>> As for Apple, what was said is
correct. This case was when those two
>>>
people
>>>
>>> shot and killed a bunch of people
during this Christmas party I think in
>>> California and I
think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
>>> Apple said
they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
>>>
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some
Israeli
>>> company who tried to get in, millions were spent and
I honestly can't
>>> remember if they succeeded or
not.
>>> As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you
that is only
>>> correct
>>>
>>> to
some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all
>>> you
>>> would have to do is cover your Face
with your hands if you are worried.
>>> At
>>> the
same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab
>>> your
>>> hand and put your finger on the Touch
Id home button or, even better,
>>> ask
>>> you for
the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of
people
>>> would keep their passcode to themselves after a few
slaps or punches or
>>> being shoved to the ground and kicked a
few times which some such
>>> thieves
>>> probably
have few scruples to do.
>>> The fact is that even if he can
unlock your phone once with Face Id, he
>>>
has
>>>
>>> to make sure it doesn't lock and having
unlocked it with Face Id or
>>> Touch
Id
>>>
>>> won't do them any good if they want to
reset the phone to sell it or
>>> even
if
>>>
>>> they want to get into it and disable or
change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
>>> option. As soon as you go to
Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
>>> passcode. Apple
security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
>>>
stolen
>>>
>>> and they have your PIN, you could
wipe the phone and permanently disable
>>>
it
>>>
>>> if you quickly log into iCloud and Find
My iPhone also cannot be
>>> disabled
>>> without
the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn
>>> off
>>> the
phone.
>>>
>>> -----Original
Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
>>>
Hutchings
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09
PM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>> So would
I.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love in
Christ
>>> Marty
>>> For our struggle is not against
flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
>>> against the powers,
against the world forces of this darkness, against
>>>
the
>>> spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly
places.
>>> Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that
you will be able to
>>> resist
>>>
>>>
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
>>>
Ephesians 6:12, 13
>>> -----Original
Message-----
>>> From: Dave Durber
>>> Sent: Sunday,
November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
>>> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>> I would love to know what that
computer tech meant by taking out a small
>>>
piece!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
"David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
>>> To:
<main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019
6:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>>
>>> This entire
security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones.
In
>>> order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do
is point the
>>> device
>>> at you and poof he or
she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
>>> computer
tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
>>>
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use
it
>>> after that.
>>>
>>> -----Original
Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
>>> Sent:
November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
>>> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>> try looking for a software called
konboot that should allow you to log
>>> in
>>>
to
>>> those accounts with a password and remove them I
think.
>>> otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus
removing everything
>>> on
>>> the system and
starting from scratch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings
said:
>>>
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>>>>I have a used
computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7
OS.
>>>>It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that
are using
>>>>2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know
the passwords. Is there any
>>>>way that I can remove
these accounts? Can this computer be restored
to
>>>>factory fresh without a Windows 7
disk?
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>>
--
>> kind regards,
>> Majid
Hussain
>>
>>
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