I did this on Windows 10, and I could have done
this on Windows 10 with a Windows 7 Win PE disk.
When Win PE loads, it is a separate operating
system, and it is accessing the hard drive as though it was a drive just plugged
into the computer.
Glenn
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Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:24
PM
Subject: Re: Used computer
My sister had a Windows seven HP computer when she
tried to update it it would not except the update to Windows 10. Thus I think
secret is right even if it could be restored who’s to say it would work with
windows 10 installed.
And then the question remains that if you did this a few
years ago when Windows 10 first came out whether it it still possible today
since every update brings security changes and enhancements.
I really would
have been surprised if a password was stored somewhere in clear text where it
could easily be retrieved.
I CC the Win 10 list here because there are some
very good people on there including some from Microsoft and maybe they can
clarify this. The question is:
If somebody was given a Windows 10 computer,
let's assume it has a fairly recent version of Windows 10 like 1903 or at
least 1809, are they utilities which can be easily obtained which would allow
for the password to be retrieved or even changed to something new and by that
I mean could I change the password on the main account without knowing the
original?
I think this might be something joseph or Brian might be able to
comment on.
Regards,
Sieghard
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Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:59 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer
Now that I remember
it, it's been a while since I've had to do this for someone who didn't have
their password, I think the tool that comes on Win PE only allows you to
change it, not retrieve it.
I believe passwords are encrypted into the
registry and it would take some heavy duty encryption software to crack the
encryption.
But whenever I change the password for someone, that is as good
as knowing the original, as you then log into that account with the password
you created and the original password is no longer valid.
It is all the
product keys that you can display as well with that Win PE and that is what I
recalled one of the utilities showing .
I had one friend who let her sister
use her computer and that was around the time when Microsoft released Windows
10 as an update which pissed off lots of people, her sister thought that she
was just updating my friend's computer and she actually upgraded it to 10 and
when it rebooted, it needed to create an account with a password, and her
sister forgot what she put in, so my friend could not get into her own
computer any more.
I've gotten the passwords on a couple other computers as
well, for myself and for other friends.
There I go again, I didn't get the
passwords, I changed them, but like I mentioned, affectively the same
thing.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny"
<glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent:
Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Used
computer
> Any one of them that Carlos made that come up talking
with NVDA, 10
> included.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: "Majid Hussain" <mhussaincov93@...>
>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34
PM
> Subject: Re: Used computer
>
>
>> would you be
talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
>> ??
>>
Majid
>>
>> On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny
<glennervin@...> wrote:
>>> If you burn the talking
Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can
>>> detect all the
passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
>>> That is
the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
>>>
Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
"Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
>>> To:
<main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019
2:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, no password can
be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
>>> I still would like to
know about Windows passwords and if they can
>>> really
be
>>>
>>> discovered as easily as Glen and some
others here say they can.
>>> As for Apple, what was said is
correct. This case was when those two
>>>
people
>>>
>>> shot and killed a bunch of people
during this Christmas party I think in
>>> California and I think
it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
>>> Apple said they can't
get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
>>> secure as
today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
>>>
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly
can't
>>> remember if they succeeded or not.
>>> As
for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
>>> correct
>>>
>>> to some degree. If
somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all
>>>
you
>>> would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you
are worried.
>>> At
>>> the same time if a thief
stuck around they could just as easily grab
>>>
your
>>> hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or,
even better,
>>> ask
>>> you for the passcode. If
somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
>>> would keep
their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
>>>
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such
>>> thieves
>>> probably have few scruples to
do.
>>> The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once
with Face Id, he
>>> has
>>>
>>> to make
sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or
>>>
Touch Id
>>>
>>> won't do them any good if they want
to reset the phone to sell it or
>>> even
if
>>>
>>> they want to get into it and disable or
change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
>>> option. As soon as you go to
Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
>>> passcode. Apple
security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
>>>
stolen
>>>
>>> and they have your PIN, you could wipe
the phone and permanently disable
>>>
it
>>>
>>> if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My
iPhone also cannot be
>>> disabled
>>> without the
passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn
>>>
off
>>> the phone.
>>>
>>> -----Original
Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
>>>
Hutchings
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09
PM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>> So would
I.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love in
Christ
>>> Marty
>>> For our struggle is not against
flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
>>> against the powers,
against the world forces of this darkness, against
>>>
the
>>> spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly
places.
>>> Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you
will be able to
>>> resist
>>>
>>> in the
evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
>>> Ephesians
6:12, 13
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave
Durber
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
>>>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>> I would love to know what that
computer tech meant by taking out a small
>>>
piece!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
"David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
>>> To:
<main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019
6:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>>
>>> This entire security
thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
>>> order
to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
>>> device
>>> at you and poof he or she can use your
device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
>>> computer tech told me years
ago all one needs to do to use a password
>>> protected computer
is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
>>> after
that.
>>>
>>> -----Original
Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
>>> Sent:
November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
>>> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used
computer
>>>
>>> try looking for a software called
konboot that should allow you to log
>>> in
>>>
to
>>> those accounts with a password and remove them I
think.
>>> otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus
removing everything
>>> on
>>> the system and
starting from scratch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Legend
has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings
said:
>>>
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>>>>I have a used
computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7
OS.
>>>>It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that
are using
>>>>2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know
the passwords. Is there any
>>>>way that I can remove
these accounts? Can this computer be restored
to
>>>>factory fresh without a Windows 7
disk?
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
--
>> kind regards,
>> Majid
Hussain
>>
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