Why don't you all get a petition together to ask the utility companies in each city throughout this fruited plain to stop charging for water,fuel to heat and electricity to light our homes. After all, without such we couldn't be able to use computers at all. et alone screen readers. Many countries in the third world have intermittent electricity. So we are indeed fortunate to have electricity and fuel to count on should we pay our utility bills. Blind people feel they are entitled to all sorts of things they are not. You don't see sighted people saying to the automobile manufacturers the prices of cars ought to be lowered to accommodate those who can't afford new cars. Or petitions to insurance companies saying people below the poverty level can't afford mandated insurance. So the cost of each should be lowered. Why should it be different for the blind. The upshot of this is: Do we want to be thought of as contributing members of society or do we want others to think of us as whining charity cases. I believe the reason more of us don't have jobs is because the general public is contented to see we are on the dole. Because it makes it easier for them not to have to make their positions accessible for us to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Before computers I used readers, braille and recorded books. I completged much of my graduate school education before computers. Ath the time I worked as a teacher of kids with learning disabilities. It wasn't easy and it took more time for me to complete tasks than my sighted peers but I did it. As I told my students, life isn't, not will it ever be, fair and if you want to succeed you need to put out the extra effort to be/do what you want. Unfortunately manu blind ( and sighted too) people allow well meaning people to "enable" them. From all the blind persons I have known, the happiest and most productive are those who have been responsible for themselves and have worked hard with the opportunities they have had... and haven't had.
Please, I don't mean to offend anyone but the tome of many of the posts have taken a "poor me" tone. In the long run, that is not helpful. And as for pirating, it is nothing more than theft and in my opinion, that is breaking the law and there sould be some sort of negative consequences.

Sandy


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From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...> wrote:

And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@...> wrote:

i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they think
it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:

I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
----- Original Message ----- From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@...>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@...> wrote:

I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a way
of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets where
the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than
101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can
discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those
who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't
buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten
illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The
effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the
above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn
from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the
process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@...> wrote:

good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:

Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for
development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying
for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be
much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer
is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough
people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:

this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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