-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:15 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Freedom scientific is a company that emerged from the combination of three
existing access technology companies at the beginning of the last decade.
Richard Chandler reportedly came up with the idea as pricing power became
more problematical for his previous company, Sunrise Medical. A starting
point for anyone interested is a 2001 Accessworld article at
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw020102in

Even in a capitalist system, industries are treated differently from others
if they are deemed essential to a functioning community. Electric, gas and
water utilities are subject to varying degrees of regulation. Capitalism
promotes initiative, and disabled people have benefited from so many
accessibility initiatives, among them screenreaders. But people like Juan
and Wogg, who seem to be saying that JAWS has the attributes of a utility in
the lives of disabled people, do raise valid concerns.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar and His Beamer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Ed,

Nice. Without your experience I could not have come even close to stating it
so eloquently.

Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:04
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Although it may be a little further down the course selection than 101, it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can discriminate in
price will make more money than one which cannot. Those who can pay more are
charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So,
the firm makes more money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue
on those who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this geometrically,
but that's a little beyond the purpose of this list. The above principle
would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be smart to discriminate in
price. There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization. First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with
the firm. Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified). I'm not
making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the above actually
articulated. So, unfortunately, that's the way it is. As much as you would
like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn from its paw, it is still
likely to bite your hand while you are in the process.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't afford
to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because they
can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't have
access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I say
that computer access very definitely is a human right for the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people poorer.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@...> wrote: good point. i still don't
like some of this stuff, but i certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote: Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price charged for a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for development, etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying for them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be much more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really foolish to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the product is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts. At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough people are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I don't get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices
of this stuff is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like this
guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal
to all of you who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who try to do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote: this is not the place for this kind of
thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!


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