You got that right about computers being expensive in the 80s.
I had more than $10,000 in my Apple II+ which included 2 floppy drives, a
monitor and a Epson printer. It had 48K of memory and the floppies could
hold 115K of info each using the Z80 card.
Last year I bought my wife a HP laptop with 6 gig ram, 600 gig hard drive
and a quad core processor for just about $600. Geez, what power for the
money.
Cy
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Charles Coe Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:33 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked Before computers the blind did what others did, make do with what was available. Jobs for the blind were not easily acquired and accessing info was very difficult to say the least. Computers in the 80s were in the several thousands of dollars and text to speech software was over $1,000 not to mention the synthesizer cost that had to be purchased in order to accommodate the text to speech software. Yes there was more than one or two companies who produced screen readers, but they are no longer in business. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of wogg le4 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:16 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked What did you end up doing before Computers? And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it quoted on the stock market? If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly. Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions require that it files accounts. On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...> wrote: And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.
On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@...> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they
think it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?
On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
----- Original Message ----- From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked
Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?
On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@...> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.
However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument
is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates
are blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this
instead of a mass market programme DVD whatever?
Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a
way of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets
where the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.
Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.
Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is
on the wall.
Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.
Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?
If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.
On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection
than 101, it is an accepted principle of economics that a firm
which can discriminate in price will make more money than one
which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more
money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue on those
who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this
geometrically, but that's a little beyond the purpose of this
list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would
be smart to discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and
assumptions that tend to undermine the price discrimination
strategy for profit maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the
low-price jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction
in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed,
rightly or wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is
less in third world countries than is the case here. So, firms
often believe that for every one legitimate copy of a product
sold into a third world country, ten illegal copies will be made.
So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of the piracy
is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all
the above actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the
thorn from its paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while
you are in the process.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked
So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?
You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.
What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.
There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't afford to buy this.
Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.
Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because they can't pay.
However, the current pricing structure means that those people
don't have access to a computer, in real terms.
Computing may or may not be a human right for the general
community. I say that computer access very definitely is a human
right for the blind.
Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.
Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd world?
Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind
people poorer.
On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@...> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do get it.
On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,
I like your style.
To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for a product is based on what it cost to develop, what
it costs to duplicate, what it costs to support, what the
employees earn in salary, what it costs to rent the building,
what the next version will need for development, etc.; all
divided by the number of copies to be sold.
A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a large cost borne by a small group = high cost per
copy. Simple economics.
Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We
had no alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS
available for our young daughter to grow up with and learn
about.
Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have
the same problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep
actually paying for them as opposed to choosing the route of
theft, which would clearly be much more practical for my family
financially.
Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish to me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy
of the program easily and legally for as long as you like (to
my understanding) with free upgrades and all, but apparently
the frequent restarting of the computer is too inconvenient for
you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag about
it?
Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding,
the product is still being paid for. The issue is that the
company and PEOPLE who develop and support the product also
have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if
enough people are stealing their products they'll just stop
developing and supporting them.
I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't get paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of
business.
On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:
Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?
-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February 04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff
is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the
correct way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things
it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things
the honest way!
On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
Hi all,
can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?
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