moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.
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fenderwal@...
My, this thread is evolving a life of its own. Now Net Bat is
having species confusion--thought you were a bat, not a dog.
I have been tinkering with adding periods to the right side of
relevant dictionary entries with modest success. My entry for the colon
character in Eloq.sbl looks like this
symbol15=: 11110000 coal:..
Real quickly, I use shorthand names for the punctuation
characters so they aren't multi-syllabic. I use coal for colon, peer for period,
etcetera. Anyway, with those 2 period characters at the end of the entry for
colon, the pause is suitably dramatic.
I'm still at it, and, and
am open to suggestions that don't involve changing from a fender wall to, say, a
gear shift knob. Makes me shiver just thinking about it!
I am puzzled as to why
punctuation pauses with Eloquence that shipped with Window-Eyes--even the
Eloquence in older versions like 4.X--could be altered by adding periods to
dictionary entries, but Eloquence with JAWS is not phased in the least. I noticed that there is an Eloq.chr dictionary with no
dictionary entries in it. Does anybody know how the two dictionaries interact
with each other in JAWS?
thanks in advance for any
shared inspirations,
Lou N.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 11:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. Hi Net bat,
Well, this old dog is much older
than you old dog ! LOL LOL
I'm glad that when I started
learning this computer operation crap the screenreading programs had gotten so
much more sophisticated than the dinosaur days. I wasn't being critical of
you, just stating when capitalization is normally applied when someone isn't
screaming at them for doing something incorrectly.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up. ----- Original Message -----
From: netbat66
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. ripped up one side and down the other for yelling at everyone. back then the artic vision scsi synthisizer didnt change pitch so i didn't know i left the caps lock on when i composed a message. -----Original Message----- From: Mike B Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:39 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. Hi Net bat, Only capitalizing all the letters in a word is considered yelling or strong emphasis on that particular word. Capitalizing the first letter of a sentence, names or wherever else capital letters are normally used is just plain correct punctuation. Now, how's that for improper English?! LOL Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up. ----- Original Message ----- From: netbat66 To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. i stopped useing capital letters years ago because this is considered yelling at the readers. grin -----Original Message----- From: JM Casey Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 11:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. Yes, that's what I just said. If a capital letter is not seen after a period, it "assumes" that the period is present for some other purpose besides ending a sentence, and thus does not pause.\ See, it's encouraging us to follow proper grammar/language rules. A good thing, surely! 8grins* -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66 Sent: August 19, 2019 1:55 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. i know sighted people would complain about puntuation. But the only way i can get the vocalizer voices to pause at the end of a sentence is to use a comma instead of a period. BTW. i noticed that this message did pause on sentences. so i investigated. grin. If you don't capatalize the first letter of the sentence jaws will not pause with the vocalizer voices. -----Original Message----- From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io Sent: monday, August 19, 2019 7:47 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. I don’t think Vocalizer is any better. Much of the time the pause is an acceptable level, but there are enough times when it’s almost as if there is no pause at all. I’ll go back to see if I forgot to type a period and find one there, but Vocalizer doesn’t pause as I would hope. I’ll play with the recommended tweaks someone posted. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:33 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. I think that a pause after a period is largely synthesiser dependent. So some synths will insert longer ones, others won’t. By default, the 1core voices from Microsoft have what is, to me, an insanely lengthy pause between both period and the next sentence and after a comma. You can adjust this in a very well hidden and protected ini file. I don’t think Eloquence has anything similar. Maybe reduce the general speech rate (although I know this isn’t exactly what you want), or try Vocalizer, or one of the Microsoft voices. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of fenderwal@... Sent: August 17, 2019 7:05 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Esoteric punctuation question. Hi, folks. I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries, and, a few puzzles. Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals. With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question. Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals? Thank you in advance for your help, Lou N. This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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