moderated Re: Jaws Cursor İssue


I have been running my retail business successfully for 20 years now because I have Jaws. I graduated from University with a Bachelor of Commerce back in 1995 because I had Jaws (and other software and technology).

This was a long time before NVDA was even made possible because of the collaboration today’s internet allows and even longer before companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft suddenly made accessibility a priority.

“But, actually, you could ignore all my comments above and could keep on offering your gratitudes to Mr. Dammery and to his team for their "magical job" enabling us to use notepad!”

I am a great fan of sarcasm, but I wonder about the “magical job” the Jaws team did with features like Jaws Convenient OCR, now Picture Smart which allows me to often get a good idea of what is in a picture where before I always had to ask a sighted person to tell me, what about the amazing support for browsers like Chrome and Firefox which allow any blind person to independently look up information online, read newspapers online, shop online, do their banking etc?

Also, what about the dedication of people like Mr. Dammery who probably would be quite capable as well as qualified to land a job with any number of big software companies where they might even make more money yet they seem to be dedicated to Jaws and other Vispero products so that people like me and many others can be productive running their own business or holding down a job.

I would have assumed that our mysterious Soner who doesn’t sign his or her emails would be using NVDA, but he/she/it (let’s not forget those who want to be neither boys or girls) is on the Jaws list and apparently enjoys biting the hand that helped them for however many years they have been using Jaws. I kindly would ask why not switch to NVDA if you can’t appreciate how difficult it is to develop and maintain a product like Jaws especially nowadays when Microsoft seems to change things sometimes on a weekly bases which often can effect how the screenreader can get its information.

Do I face issues and challenges with Jaws? Absolutely. Do I sometimes complain and get frustrated about some set back which doesn’t make sense? Absolutely. Is it always the fault of Vispero when something doesn’t work in Jaws? Absolutely not.

I have been a Jaws user for 30 years and would consider myself to be a pretty advanced user of Jaws, computers and technology in general, but for the most part instead of bitching about it at every opportunity just because I enjoy being negative I decided to get on the Jaws Beta team so I can make my experience available and try and do what I can to help Vispero to make Jaws a better product.


Best regards,



From: <> On Behalf Of Portia Mason via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue


This is the friend who stayed with you?


From: <> On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue


Hello, adding to your point, has been years that we herd no improvement about it from Freedom. They preferred investing on useless and naturally unsustainable features like research it.

I do not know what goes on in those technology showcases, but at least wish some Canadian and American mates appearing in those places with their real comments and feed-backs.

I sometimes listen FSCast podcasts, however, it is nothing more than a commercial session with some plastic questions and comments rather than a real community driven discussion on the product itself.

But, actually, you could ignore all my comments above and could keep on offering your gratitudes to Mr. Dammery and to his team for their "magical job" enabling us to use notepad!



On 6 Jun 2019, at 04:02, Tom Lange <lange85@...> wrote:


Going back even as far as Windows XP, I’ve seen many instances in which invoking the Jaws cursor and then using the arrow keys results in “blank, blank, blank”  et cetera and I’ve never gotten a satisfactory answer regarding why that happens. I’ve tried tweaking the screen resolution and other settings, to no avail. 

As for the John’s cursor, I’ve never actually encountered one of those but I would speculate that it must be some device that kicks into high gear when a guy hanging out in the red-light district gets busted and hauled in for soliciting.


On Jun 5, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:


  JAWS is what was meant.  Sorry I did not proof better.



From: <> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue


The John’s cursor?


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From: <> on behalf of Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue


 I am not sure of the solution, but this is a typical John’s Kurtzer response. As windows has advanced and technology increased the John’s cursor has become less useful. I understand that Freedom Scientific is working on that and hopes to have major changes soon. 



From: on behalf of soner <soner.boun@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 4:33 AM
Subject: Jaws Cursor İssue


Dear listers, on Windows 10, I encounter a strange problem in Jaws
cursor mode with all web browsers. that while it reads properly
through arrow keys, it just says: "space", if I would like to move
word by word or character by character to move and click an element or
a word to read. So I am literally unable to grabb anything clickable
or any word to locate in Jaws cursor mode.
I have tested through various Jaws versions from April 2019 down to
2018, but it gives the same result.
I use a Toshiba Satellite Radius 12 P20W-C laptop with all the drivers
and firmwares up to date.

Any tip or help greatly appreciated.



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