Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>

It was just a test to eliminate an issue. but the attitude is not going to help you get answers...
If you have reinstalled everything, eliminated the triple talk and did a repair of jaws 2019. Checked all video sound and chip set drivers  then at this point you can go back to 2018 or call FS. There isn't any reason for the issues you are having.
of course you could just dump MS office and go with another office suite and e-mail client. I don't know why people put up with all these issues when there are alternatives out there.

On 5/3/2019 6:09 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:



I am CCNA Certified. I know what I am doing. I am seeking possible Jaws corrections. With the problem mentioned, Elequence also does the same, lags/sluggish with MS programs/apps, is nearly impossible to spell check (F7) and the horrible java problems. Get over your thoughts of elequence Vs. any external syn. It is not the external syn…


From: [] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


Unless you have completely disconnected the triple talk and used Eloquence then you cant say it is not the triple talk. Be leave me I am the last person that will push you toward new and away from old if the old is the better choice.

But from a PC repair perspective this is just one of the simple tests that one does to pinpoint the real issue. If you arent willing to do this simple test there really isnt any way to help further. Not being a hard a$$ about it. Thats just the way it is with trouble shooting this kind of thing. smiley face

BTW: Is Office 365 doing the same things as Office 10?

On 5/3/2019 1:38 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have recently done a complete reinstall to all as mentioned.


I have plenty of ram, processor and hardware is not the problem


I have gone into task manager and msconfig. Nothing running that does not need to be running


The problem is Jaws, not the synthesizer egg: triple-talk vs elequence.


You seem to not understand and you continuously push elequence. If no other suggestions, end the topic and yes, please lets move on…




From: [] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.



From: <> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


Hi all,


The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.


From: [] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...



What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.



On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.


Thanks again,




From: [] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol


From: [] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.


From: <> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


Hey all,


Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?




From: [] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.



From: <> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.



On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:


Accent synthesizer speech demo





-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.




On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: [] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To:

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: [] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To:

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...


>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.


>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,


>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.


>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?


>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.


>>> Thanks to all,


>>> Rick








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