Re: $100 for a new computer?

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>

That’s about $50 more then what it would cost to get a Win 10 operating system CD. Of course the price for that CD might have gone up since I bought it a  while back.   


From: <> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: April 24, 2019 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: $100 for a new computer?


And just to ad to this, some of the top of the line mechanical gaming keyboards can easily cost $200 or more (that is Canadian Dollars).

If somebody wants to read more why such mechanical keyboards are superior, this Tech Radar article might be of interest:


Best gaming keyboard 2019: the best gaming keyboards we've tested


From: <> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: $100 for a new computer?


Thank you as well.  I should have titled the subject line $100 for a keyboard? 


From: <> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: April 24, 2019 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: $100 for a new computer?


Thanks excellent and very interesting article shan 

On Apr 24, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

It’s not the media keys and such which cost money but the fact whether you buy a mechanical keyboard or not. Mechanical keyboards are what many of us would call the old style IBM type keyboards. They are relatively heavy and only few of them exist in wireless form (Logitech does make a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard). Many of these also are sold as “gaming keyboards” and each key has a small mechanical switch and one of the most well-known among those is the Cherry MX switch, below is an article for those who are interested which explains its history and different types:


An introduction to Cherry MX mechanical switches


Mechanical keyboards are defined by their switches. In the Filco Majestouch-2 and many others, it is Cherry MX switches that are used. In this article, we’ll look at the many different kinds of Cherry switches on the market and see how they compare to one another.


A potted history of Cherry

Cherry Corporation was founded in the United States in 1953 and started producing keyboards in 1967, making them the oldest keyboard manufacturer in the world that’s still in business. The company was moved to Germany in 1967 and bought by ZF Friedrichshafen AG in 2008, but keyboards and mechanical switches are still produced under the Cherry brand.

Their most popular line of switches, the Cherry MX series, was introduced around 1985. These switches are usually referenced by their physical colour, with each colour denoting the switch’s handling characteristics – whether it is clicky, whether it is tactile, and how much force is required to actuate the switch, in centi-Newtons (cN) or grams (g).

Now that we’ve explained a bit of the background information, we can have a look at the switches themselves – starting with the four most common varieties.


Linear switches

Linear switches have the simplest operation, moving straight up and down without any additional tactile feedback or loud clicking noise – we’ll come to these more complicated switches later on. There are two common types of linear switches – Black and Red.


Cherry MX Black switches were introduced in 1984, making them one of the older Cherry switches. They have a medium to high actuation force, at 60 cN, which means they are the stiffest of the four most common Cherry switches. These switches are used in point-of-sale stations, but typically aren’t considered ideal for typing due to their high weighting. They have found use in RTS video games, where the high weighting can prevent accidental key presses that might occur on less stiff switches. The stronger spring also means that they rebound faster, meaning they can be actuated quite quickly given enough force – although you may also find fatigue becomes more of a factor than with other switches.


Red Conversely, Cherry MX Red switches were only introduced in 2008 and are the most recent switch to be developed by the company. They have a low actuation force, at 45 cN – tied with Brown for the lowest of the four most common switches. Red switches have been marketed as a gaming switch, with the light weighting allowing for more rapid actuation, and have become increasingly common in gaming keyboards.


Tactile, non-clicky switches

Tactile switches provide, as the name suggests, additional tactile feedback as the key actuates. As you press the key down, there is a noticeable bump which lets you know that your key press has been registered.


Brown The most popular type of tactile, non-clicky switch is the Cherry MX Brown. This switch was introduced in 1994 as a special ‘ergo soft’ switch, but quickly became one of the most popular switches. Today, the majority of Filco keyboards are sold with Brown switches, as the switch is a good middle-of-the-road option appropriate for both typing and gaming. They are also ideal for typing in office environments, where a clicky switch might annoy some.


Tactile, clicky switches

Clicky switches add a deliberately louder ‘click’ sound to the existing tactile bump, allowing for greater typing feedback. This makes it easier to know that you’ve hit the activation point. This is achieved by a more complicated mechanism, with a blue plunger and a white slider. When the actuation point is reached, the slider is propelled to the bottom of the switch and the click noise is produced.



The Cherry MX Blue is the most common clicky switch, and was first made available in Filco keyboards in 2007. Blue switches are favoured by typists due to their tactile bump and audible click, but can be less suitable for gaming as the weighting is relatively high – 50 cN – and it is a bit harder to double tap, as the release point is above the actuation point. Blue switches are noticeably louder than other mechanical switches, which are already louder than rubber domes, so these switches can be a bit disruptive in close working conditions.


Less common Cherry MX switches

While the four switches listed above are found on the vast majority of mechanical keyboards with Cherry switches, quite a few other variants exist as well. We’ll cover these briefly.


• ClearSilent Red (Pink) switches are quieter variants of the linear MX Red switch, with rubber pieces inside that dampen the sound of the switch returning to its default position. The actuation force remains 45 cN.

• Speed Silver is a shortened version of the MX Red switch, actuating at 1.2mm instead of 2mm and with a total travel of 3.4mm compared to 4mm.

• Clear switches are a stiffer version of Brown switches, with a tactile bump and weighting of 65 cN.

• Grey  switches are used for space bars on Clear keyboards, with a weighting of 80 cN.

• Green switches are a stiffer version of Blue switches, with a tactile bump and audible click, weighted at 80 cN. It is primarily used for space bars.

• White switches are very similar to green switches, with modern versions being weighted the same (80 cN) but being slightly quieter.

• Super Black  switches are extra stiff (150 cN) linear switches designed for space bars on keyboards with Black switches.

• Dark Grey  switches are moderately more stiff linear (80 cN) switches designed for use as space bars on keyboards with Cherry MX Black switches.

• Cherry MX Lock  switches are locking linear switches that stay down until pressed again, typically used for Caps Lock and TTY lock in keyboards before the 1980s.



So there we have it – information on the various MX switches produced by Cherry and now ZF Electronics. I hope this has been useful – if you have any questions, feel free to share them in the comments below! You can also ask on Twitter or Facebook. Finally, if you’d like to pick up a few switches to play around

with, then you can do so on our switches page. Thanks for reading and have a good one



From: <> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: $100 for a new computer?


Marty, years ago when I took my keyboard in to be fixed the tech said to get a new one would be far cheaper.  Because they would have to take all the keys out, dust them off then put them back together.  That was when keyboards were around $100 to buy.  Now, they are much cheaper.   One can get good ones on Amazon or Best Buy for around $30-50. If one shops around and look for sales on them, which happen all the time. Of course if one wants or needs an ergonomic or a fancy keyboard with media controls and other such bells and whistles, one could spend a lot of money, if that was what one really wanted to do.    


From: <> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: April 23, 2019 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys


This is a new keyboard. It's one of those ones with buckling springs rather than rubber domes. I got it in August of 2018, and I think it's really amazing.


From: [] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through just to change one key.  How about a new keyboard.




Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:35 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys


On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 08:11 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you),

Uh, no.  No one's signature "attacks you" or anyone else.  You are perfectly free to ignore them.

Back to the beginning, at least two of us have recommended you try a key remapper like SharpKeys or similar.  All appearances are that, for whatever reason, the output from your right ALT key is being interpreted as ALT-GR on your machine.  A key remapper, changing that key to straight ALT, is the fastest way to achieve your stated goal.

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