Re: pros and cons of Office 365


Darn. I was too lazy to check and catch that homonym.
Anyway... to sort of stay on topic, I’m pretty agnostic about the subscription model or whether one's better than the other. I am a subscriber to a couple of Office small business plans Mainly for the exchange accounts and while I'm entitled to the standard desktop installs, I've been in the habit of getting my Office licenses via eBay, but just the key and not the DVD. You can grab these for anywhere from $5 to $12. I've posted about this in the past.
It's completely on the up and up due to an EU regulation having to do with some sort of antitrust/antitrade stipulation (Those darn government rules. Tyranny I tell you!). Too boring and technical to really get into, but the quick and dirty is that companies make a business out of buying busted or retired systems in bulk to extract among other things, scrap, parts and the extraction of the associated keys. I think OS licenses are a bit more of a gray area and to be on the safe side, you're probably best off just buying a Windows OS key through the MS store if you don't want the feds kicking down your door or find that you got stuck with a bogus key, but office licenses? Fair game.
I just recently grabbed my wife an Office 2016 Professional license a couple of weeks ago for $9 from a seller in the UK to put on her new Dell laptop.
Standard caveats if you go this rout and all that. Check the seller's ratings and if it's one dude with 2 feedbacks or if it's some random guy trying to sell his one license, you may be better off passing and looking somewhere else. There are enough out there that keys are not hard to find through sellers who've got thousands of reviews. Paying $10 rather than $80 is really sticking it to the man...
That or you could sell your digital soul and subjugate yourself to the MS overlords with a sub. Choices choices.

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Interesting interpretation regarding the "surf" by which I assume you meant a "serf".
I fail to see the connection between a subscriber which is what you are when you subscribe to Office 365 and a serf which, by definition is an "agricultural laborer bound under the feudal system to work on his lord's estate."
Just because you don't want to pay a subscription for Office 365 which also includes 1 Tb of OneDrive storage, cost for that on Dropbox alone is as much or more than the Office 365 subscription) doesn't mean others find it reduces them to serfdom.


-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

If you want MS Office cheap on a DVD, go to eBay. A single PC license of the professional version that includes Access is $84 and a two PC version is $104. The license lasts forever, unlike the $70 a year for Office 365. That’s $140 for just two years and $210 for three years.
If you get Office 365, Microsoft has effectively turned you into a surf.

Another con for Office 365 is the possibility of being removed from the service and having all your files deleted without notice. Section I of the MS services agreement tells users “Don’t do anything illegal.” This would mean that if you told a friend you smoked a joint of marijuana, you violated the services agreement and can have your account suspended. This is because while the substance is legal in some states, it is still illegal on the federal level. Even if someone were using marijuana to cure themselves of cancer, Microsoft doesn’t care. The person was committing an illegal act and therefore has violated the services agreement and deserves to be banned for life. Another doozy is in section vii of the services agreement.
Microsoft tells users to “Don’t engage in activity that is harmful to
you, the Services, or others.” Microsoft gives obvious examples of
nasty and destructive behavior like transmitting viruses, stalking, and posting terrorist content. Another example listed refers to “communicating hate speech, or advocating violence against others.”
The second provision would be extremely troubling if you are a gun owner and possess firearms for personal defense. Advocating for gun rights, stand your ground laws, and laws that eliminate any duty to retreat from an attacker could be considered by some as advocating violence as the person would be using lethal force in defense of his life. Using violence in self-defense is perfectly legal, but it is still advocating violence, according to some on the left. The technology industry has removed many thousands of people from Web-based services, such as Google, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube over issues of hate speech, which the companies never define or explicitly describe. Recently, large numbers of Google Docs users found themselves locked out of their account because an automated system determined they had used the software to create unspecified material that the company considered hate speech. Those blocked include academic scientists and business owners who insisted nothing of a controversial or political nature was stored on Google’s system. The company later acknowledged that a staff programmer made a change to an algorithm that created many hate speech false positives. If you were to buy an Office 2016 DVD, your access to Access, Word and other Office programs will never be denied for grounds of simply having a political opinion, or someone’s arbitrary determination of hate speech or engaging in illegal activity of a law you knew nothing about.


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On 12/1/18, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
In the particular situation for MS Access, you would likely be best
off with Office 365. And, I mean its web-based version not its
desktop version.
That said, in general I have not found Access to be very accessible.
However, I recollect reading something recently about the Office 365
version of Access being substantially more accessible than any desktop
version; including 2016 and 2019. You ought to Google this topic.

From: <> On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:37 AM
Subject: pros and cons of Office 365


I'm using Windows10 and Jaws 2018. I was looking to switch to Office
365. I need to start using Access. I'm looking for the most cost
effective way to get Access. I either go to Office 365 and pay the $70
per year for the personal version. Or purchase a stand alone Access
2016 for $129. What are the pros and cons of using office 365?



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