locked Re: Commitment


Cristóbal
 

Ah see, you gotta splain yourself. That's obviously not the same as a busker.
I have a friend who is losing his vision due to RP. He hasn't driven in years and other stuff like that.
Earlier this year, his sister put out a GoFundMe for him to try to get together $5000 to buy some sort of device that would help him see better. She apparently knew someone who worked at some place who could get it at that reduced price instead of the regular $10000. Still though, you're talking $5000. Since I'm completely blind, I don't keep up with those types of products or advancements and couldn't tell you what that device is called now.
Anyway, he didn't want her to do it and he was mortified/angry with her when she did it. She didn't care and as a sister who loves her brother and didn't know what else to do figured the best and only real shot he/their family had was to try to crowd source the money. Taking out a loan wasn't an option.
Are services like GoFundMe simply a nicer or less stigmatized way of begging or seeking charity? I don’t know. All I know is when I donated (sent the money via PayPal since I didn't want to give GoFundMe 5% of my money), I was just trying to help out a friend who is going through a rough spot and I as someone who also had gone through the difficult experience of going blind and dealing with the frustration/sticker shock of anything and everything blindness related didn't think of it in the terms of someone just looking for a handout.
When I came back to the US in 2000 after having lived abroad for most of the 90s, I had my big fancy degree, ability and a sense of what I wanted to do. I sure as hell however didn't have the thousands of dollars to immerse myself in all the assistive technology suddenly available to me even though I was receiving training for it.
As are with many things in life, you can be prepared, have all the ability in the world and yet, it often comes down to luck and timing. Fortunately, during the time I was receiving assistive tech training, there was an organization in Texas issuing grants. One of my computer instructors suggested I submit an application. I did and as I was ready to leave the program into the big bad world and without real access to all the stuff I now knew how to use, I was notified that my grant request was approved.
This was how I first got all my first assistive tech stuff. Jaws, K1000, Duxbury, a computer, scanner, printer and Braille embosser and some other goodies. It all probably came out close to $10000. The Jaws and K1000 licenses are the same ones I'm using today.
Is requesting grant money begging? Some people who do this for a living will sometimes say that it feels like it. I really don't know. Was I begging when I put forth my application? Are folks who obtain a computer from the Computers for the Blind in Texas or any Lion's Club begging? These become esoteric debates that begin to lose the entire point.
Donahue's obviously someone who traffics in obfuscation and big words and is more interested in bragging about what he has rather than putting forth any real contributions to the discussion.
I'm fortunate that I’m in a place in my life now where if I wanted or needed something blindness related, I can afford to pay for it. Unfortunately, this isn't the case for a majority of us. If someone wants to launch a GoFundMe or otherwise try to crowd source the money to get software or a piece of equipment, I mean, I guess. What's the saying? There but for the grace of God go I. It's not like anyone's obligated to contribute.
Ultimately though, when my friend finally goes completely blind and when he transitions to a screen reader, at least now, he won't have to worry about how to pay for a $900 Jaws or Kurzweil 1000 license. This in my opinion is a good thing.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment


Yeah, but if you have no musical talent, he suggest standing on the street and playing a boombox. To me, this is begging, plain and simple. No wonder he doesn't want to revealhis money making secrets on this list.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

So... I actually don’t see what the big deal would be about street busking.
I mean, if you've got good enough skill to perform as a street artist, then where's the shame in that?
While in college, I once was with a sighted friend sitting on a bench by my house. We were just shooting the breeze and I was jamming/messing around on my guitar. The guitar case was open and my dog was tied to my belt passed out.
Someone walked by and tossed some cash into my open case.
It's not like I took offense or anything. In fact, we thought it was funny/crazy.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment


He has posted about his money making schemes on other lists. One of his schemes involves standing on the street with a tin cup and playing a musical instrument. This sounds like begging to me, and is just the sort of activity so strongly discouraged by the NFB and ACB because it only serves to reinforce the negatives stereotypes of the blind that are so widely held by the general public.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

I have never heard so much wishy washy talk than what Peter writes in his messages, I think he has mastered the art of evasiveness since he hasn't said a single concrete thing. He eludes to all these methods of how to generate income and it's all about contacting him off list probably so he can snag people with whatever scheme he is running. My guess is that it will generate income although it may just be for him.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing
scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com
<mailto:kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



















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