Re: Really really simple backup question


so Brian, Steve or anyone else, like Sharon, I'm a bit lost...
what about Drive Snapshot? I'm not sure now if it can do backups, or
can it, as it is known as a program that produces images?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel []
Sent: Friday, Aug 17, 2018 11:00 AM EST
Subject: Really really simple backup question


I'm going to give it a shot at answering your questions, one by one, and
including a bit of information about "the question I think you were
trying to ask" in addition to what was literally there.  The questions
will all be repeated, with a > at the beginning of the question quotation.

What is the difference between a backup, a differential backup, an
integral backup, a system backup?

           A generic "backup" could be nothing other than copying
files off to another drive by hand, but that's really not what the focus
of the latest go-rounds was, nor will be here.

           A system image backup is, essentially, a snapshot of your
computer's state:  all installed software, including the operating
system, user accounts, all data associated with all user accounts, etc.,
taken at a given point in time and saved in a format that would allow
you to restore that state, exactly, if you had a catastrophic failure of
your hard drive and needed to replace it.

           Both differential and incremental backups are backups taken
after a full system image backup, that collect the changes that have
occurred since that last system image backup, but in slightly different
ways.  Please see the article, *Incremental vs differential backup –
what is the difference?* (
) , which explains the differences better than I can and in
non-technical terms.

What if I wanted to get a complete backup of my system, and had no idea
at all which program to get?

            This is sort of the crux of the earlier discussions. 
 Clearly Image for Windows ( ) is great and
accessible if you are willing and able to pay just under $40 for it. 
But if you can't, my parallel thread about other options, whether fully
accessible or just accessible for maintaining your backups, is in its
infancy.  Watch that space.

Where would be even a good starting point for a person who has never
once done an image or complete backup?

             I guess my only answer is deciding whether you wish to
purchase backup software or to use a free version.  Then to decide
whether whatever you use has to be 100% accessible or whether you can
live with having an assistant to help you set up the system image backup
and/or user data backup and, heaven forbid but it could happen, do the

  Would I need an external drive with nothing else on it?

              You definitely need an external drive.   If you are
using backup software, which I highly recommend, it can have lots of
other stuff on it.  The backups will be placed in a folder of their own.

               I do not recommend disc cloning, which requires an
external drive that's dedicated to nothing but the backup, and, ideally,
would not be a regular external backup drive but a regular disc drive
you could "pop in" to your machine for which you would purchase a USB
enclosure where it would live while being used as an external backup drive.

Is the Microsoft product a good starting place for a person who has
never done anything like this before?

                This question is a bit to vague to answer as posed. 
 Microsoft includes a built-in backup and recovery that's been around
since Windows 7, at least.  They have, however, stated that it is
officially deprecated and state that users should seek out third party
options, which is why I don't discuss it.  This utility was for system
image backup and recovery.

                 File History, which exists under Windows 10 (and
Windows 8.1, I think), is an excellent starting place for taking user
data backups.  I just suggest that those starting out with File History
pay very careful attention to both the frequency of backup and the
backup retention period.  The default frequency is hourly, which is way
too often for your average home user, and retention is forever, which is
a space hog particularly if you know you really generally only care
about the most recent version of a file once it's more than so old. 
This is why I suggest retention of three months, as this will keep all
versions of the same file in File History that are younger than three
months old then, as the oldest version becomes three months and one day
(or more) old it gets booted out.  Versions older than your retention
period get booted out successively until what's left is only the most
recent version of the file from the date you last touched it.   The
retention period is NOT about the age of the current and last copy of
the file, but of its previous versions that were collected along the
way.  The current and last version will be retained until or unless it
is deleted or, if you start working on it again, as versions with the
changes you've done.

By the way, I saw your comment about knowing that you don't necessarily
expect total accessibility, but I thought a comprehensive answer for
other readers would be useful.  Your options are a lot wider in this
situation, and I can still recommend EaseUS To Do Backup Free without
hesitation if you don't object to needing assistance with the setup of
your backup regimen nor if recovery were ever necessary.  The part you
have to deal with to take successive full system images, or incremental
backups, is entirely accessible.  I don't think the free version
supports differential backup, but I could be mistaken.   My own protocol
is generally to take full system image backups about once per month,
then deleting any of these older than the previous month's backups since
I wouldn't want anything from "the wayback machine" if I have a more
recent backup.


Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

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