Re: Is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility a prioity if you have a large base of users?

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>

Built-in and out of the box accessibility is great and it is exactly what Apple has done with Voiceover and what Microsoft is doing with Narrator right now. However, not everybody requires the same level of accessibility and having third-party solutions like Jaws which do cost money because there is actually an organisation behind it which has to pay wages,, rent or buy a building and all that. Mich, I doubt Jaws is drowning in money and you can’t always expect perfection to be included. Does it make sense, for example, to built every house according to the best specs out there for wheelchair users just because maybe at some point somebody in a wheelchair might want to live there? There are other examples where accessibility is just not feasible and games is one such example. How many games are entirely visual, accessibility is just not possible and I for one don’t expect it. The fact is we are blind and lack the sense of sight and not level of accessibility will give us sight and at times sight is what is required. Should every movie or TV series have audio descriptions? Absolutely. Should popular devices, software applications and services be accessible? Absolutely. But some things just can’t be made accessible and there is nothing wrong with that.





From: <> On Behalf Of Mich Verrier
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility a prioity if you have a large base of users?


Poverty? These are molty billion doller companies. If any one should pleed poverity it should be theconsumers of these products for paying the amount that we have to pay for sutch products like jaws and other things like that. To me accessibillidey shoud be bilt in from the start not tacked on as a afterthought and then have a moad for lind or vi or what ever your disibillidey is and a sepprit moad for others. This includes for games, or any other thing that companies want to make accessible it should be thought of at the start not when the product is all ready out in the market and then have to re tune it with accessibillidey in mind and charge through the nose for it. From Mich.


From: <> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: August 8, 2018 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility a prioity if you have a large base of users?


If there is a magic to it, no one has figured it  out in thirty-plus years. It's hit and miss, depending on the motivation of the developer or company. Most plead poverty--not enough staff to dedicate a single person to oversee or implement accessibility. But some, like guys like Ross Levi from Station Playlist, or the Weather Watcher guy, or the Tapin Radio guy, just to name a few prominent ones, are not only amenable to talking about accessibility with their users, but put their money where their mouth is and really do it.


On 8/8/2018 2:33 AM, David Ingram wrote:

Hi, there should be accessibility as something that should start from the ground up.  I can't see with all the things that are available now that companies are not aware of developer tools that are available to them to make accessibility the first thing that people can notice, especially if the developers no that with in there developers tools of choice that accessibility exist..  I'd like to know how can we educate developers and programmers the best practices to use over all?  Thank you list members for having any information that may help to increase accessibility for many different products even for those companies who may not have considered accessibility to begin with?

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From: Sandra Streeter
Sent: Aug 7, 2018 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility if you have a larbase of users?

Totally with you there! If a “sightee” can rely upon a given anti-virus or security product working, we should have the same option.





"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."
(James Baldwin)


Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility if you have a larbase of users?


If an organization of the blind, like the American Council, or the National Federation, want to fight for something, often things change for the better.  Case in point was the ACB getting involved   with Major League Baseball inaccessibility.  The problem is getting them motivated.

My main question is why hasn't one or both of these groups fought for accessibility of virus protection products?


Maria Campbell
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 8/4/2018 11:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

"how can we convince companies to change their attitudes about accessibility?"

That is the one and only way that accessibility becomes, well, more accessible.  Using the correct kind of PR spin doesn't hurt, either.  There are no "big bucks" to be made via accessibility but the polishing of one's reputation that comes from making it a priority is a potential goldmine.  I don't think that either Microsoft or Apple, two of the biggest companies making accessibility a base expectation, are doing so because it improves their bottom line in the conventional sense, yet they're definitely getting something out of it and that's worth noting and encouraging.

Creating corporate cultures where accessibility is an expectation, rather than an afterthought if it's thought of at all, is the way forward.  At the moment, it seems the tide is shifting in that direction, at least for companies where that's practical (and, yes, it's much more difficult for tiny companies with limited resources than it is for companies with multi-billion [or trillion] valuations).  But what the "big ones" do does rub off.

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill



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