Re: Trouble with "task switching"
paul lemm
Hi Dave,
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Yep, I agree , the program is never closed therefore when I said it opens the program as you pointed out this is incorrect. As to your point about focus and the program being miniaturised whilst not in use and then maximised when you alt tab to it and focus then being changed to that newly maximised window, I agree with you completely, , I think that’s what I was trying to say, but I didn't explain myself well. Anyways thanks for the reply and hope you're having a good weekend. Paul
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: 08 July 2018 12:31 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Trouble with "task switching" Hello Paul: When you have several programs open and Windows has given focus to one of those programs, the other programs which are open, are not minimized. All the programs you have open and running, are using the same amount of memory, regardless as to whether one of them has focus or not. What gets minimized, are the open display windows for the programs which do not have focus. They appear as miniaturized versions of the maximized program windows. So, by definition, the fact that these programs are open and running in the background and their windows are open and minimized, means they are not closed. When you hold down the ALT key and tap the TAB key, to cycle through the list of open programs, each miniaturized window is highlighted, and for a person who is using a screen reader, what gets spoken by a screen reader, are the text labels for the miniaturized windows of the programs running in the background. It is the release of the ALT key on one of the other open programs with its miniaturized window, which instructs Windows to maximize that programs window and give focus to that program. sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul lemm" <paul.lemm@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2018 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Trouble with "task switching" Hi, I still disagree, since the program is minimised you need to open that window, you could argue open is not the right word and that maximise or restore that window would be more appropriate. But to shift focus implies moving the view to something which can be seen elsewhere, although you are right the program is stored in memory its visual representation is removed when you open a new program, so no matter how much you move the view or shift focus you cannot then see this program without first restoring that program window, it is then only at this point you are able to shift focus to that window. . However all this being said, honestly I think we could all spend ages arguing/debating the technical definition of what focus means and whether it does or does not apply to this situation or not, but this has moved far out of the realms of anything to do with jaws and I don't wish to block up the mailing list with non jaws related content. so in the interest of putting the whole focus topic to bed I will take on board everyone's points and views and just hope that the original poster has managed to solve his problem. Paul -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: 08 July 2018 01:18 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Trouble with "task switching" I support Dave on this one. If you're rotating through a list of things that are open, how could they be opened any further or better by focusing on them? Answer: they cannot. Once you load data into memory and give the supervisor (a.k.a. the operating system) a memory address to pick up the next instruction, also known as running or opening a program, that's as open as it gets. Rotating through the open programs, then releasing the TAB key on one of them, does only one thing that's special--it allows the user--that's you--to interact with said program via its interface--namely, any input or output channels said program may have commandeered for that purpose, such as a keyboard, mouse, microphone, video display, audio interface, printer, or any other driver software that acts as the go-between between said program and some unknown piece of hardware. The only thing that gets opened when releasing the TAB key whilst cycling through a list of running programs is that program's user window. On 7/7/2018 5:00 PM, paul lemm wrote: Hi Dave,
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