moderated Re: help required for remembering passwords



Sorry, but I find that idea completely confusing. KISS is the way to
remember passwords.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:58
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

Here's another idea for making up individual passwords in case you
aren't comfortable with the password-generation portion of a password
manager. I call it using a password formula. Think of a root, either a
favorite word or character combination--let's say for the sake of an
example, today's date, March 31. Now let's add to that string at least
one punctuation symbol. For example's sake, let's use the left square
bracket symbol, '['. Now we have a string that looks like this:


Now, let's think about the service we want to log onto. For example's
sake, let's say it a grocery delivery service, like one we have here in
New York called Fresh Direct. Let's generate a four-character code out
of the two words "Fresh Direct" by taking the first two vowels, e and i,
and the first two consonants, f and r. Now our string looks like:


Do this for every site you want to log onto. Of course, these passwords
will be stored in your password manager, but a good and valid reason to
use a password formula is that if you ever need that password and you're
not using a computer that uses the password manager you normally use and
it doesn't have your password store, you can still log on to that
Website by remembering the formula you used when you made up the
password. So now you're protected twice. Once by the password manager's
master unlock password, and once by remembering the formula you used to
create the passwords so if something happens to your password vault, or
you're out somewhere and you need to get in to a password-protected
site, you're covered.

On 3/31/2018 1:01 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
Well, it would in theory be easier to remember one master password rather
than trying to keep track of X number of passwords and what account they
correspond to.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

Hi Guys!

that's the trouble, i can never think of one which you could say was
master secure, and if i did, i'd probably have forgotten it about 10
minutes later.


On 31/03/2018 16:49, Steve Matzura wrote:
Tom, unfortunately you're correct, which is why you mitigate the risk
by making that master password very ver'r'r'ry secure. Granted,
there's risk in everything when it comes to password management, but
since there are so many ways a password, even a long one, can be
obfuscated, it pays to remember just one fancy one instead of half a
hundred shorter ones. Substituting punctuation symbols for letters is
a common method, and since there are so many symbols and so many ways
to use and combine them, even brute-force attacks won't be of much use.

On 3/31/2018 11:26 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Perhaps I'm old and not as informed as I should be, but my problem
with these password manager programs is that if someone somehow gets
your credentials, they will suddenly have access to all of your

If I'm in error about this, please let me know.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

KeePass, LastPass, and my particular favorite, 1Password.

On 3/31/2018 10:34 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Hi Everyone!

Recently i've found that i've become terrible at remembering
passwords for different things and sites, does anyone have any


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