moderated Re: help required for remembering passwords

Jennifer Jackson <jennsjackson@...>

Val, a password is better than no password at all. So just do what you can today. Maybe generate 1 good password and use it universaly.

Do you have a technically inclined person you trust and can delegate this task too? That person could walk you through getting it set up, and then you can record that password information in braille or on your Olympas recorder.

Maybe also consider breaking this into small daily chunks. Day 1 create a password or download a password manager. Day 2 set up password for 1 account, or set up your information in the password manager.

I currently keep my account information in a small ringed binder that holds small sheets of braille paper. I keep it with a slate and styles in my tote bag.

That is what works for me right now. You need a system that works for you. Be gentle with yrself, especially during these difficult times.

Jennifer j

On Mar 31, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@...> wrote:

Of course nobody thinks you're ungrateful or are causing a stir. People just react at certain things we express, and that reaction can be far from what we intended. Onward and upward.


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

Hi Thanks so much for all the suggestions, and i never thought i'd cause as much of a stir!

I don't want anyone to think i'm ungrateful, i have taken a note of the ones i can remember on to my olympus.


On 31/03/2018 19:58, Steve Matzura wrote:
Here's another idea for making up individual passwords in case you
aren't comfortable with the password-generation portion of a password
manager. I call it using a password formula. Think of a root, either
a favorite word or character combination--let's say for the sake of an
example, today's date, March 31. Now let's add to that string at
least one punctuation symbol. For example's sake, let's use the left
square bracket symbol, '['. Now we have a string that looks like this:


Now, let's think about the service we want to log onto. For example's
sake, let's say it a grocery delivery service, like one we have here
in New York called Fresh Direct. Let's generate a four-character code
out of the two words "Fresh Direct" by taking the first two vowels, e
and i, and the first two consonants, f and r. Now our string looks like:


Do this for every site you want to log onto. Of course, these
passwords will be stored in your password manager, but a good and
valid reason to use a password formula is that if you ever need that
password and you're not using a computer that uses the password
manager you normally use and it doesn't have your password store, you
can still log on to that Website by remembering the formula you used
when you made up the password. So now you're protected twice. Once by
the password manager's master unlock password, and once by remembering
the formula you used to create the passwords so if something happens
to your password vault, or you're out somewhere and you need to get
in to a password-protected site, you're covered.

On 3/31/2018 1:01 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
Well, it would in theory be easier to remember one master password
rather than trying to keep track of X number of passwords and what
account they correspond to.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Val
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

Hi Guys!

that's the trouble, i can never think of one which you could say was
master secure, and if i did, i'd probably have forgotten it about 10
minutes later.


On 31/03/2018 16:49, Steve Matzura wrote:
Tom, unfortunately you're correct, which is why you mitigate the risk
by making that master password very ver'r'r'ry secure. Granted,
there's risk in everything when it comes to password management, but
since there are so many ways a password, even a long one, can be
obfuscated, it pays to remember just one fancy one instead of half a
hundred shorter ones. Substituting punctuation symbols for letters is
a common method, and since there are so many symbols and so many ways
to use and combine them, even brute-force attacks won't be of much use.

On 3/31/2018 11:26 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Perhaps I'm old and not as informed as I should be, but my problem
with these password manager programs is that if someone somehow gets
your credentials, they will suddenly have access to all of your

If I'm in error about this, please let me know.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

KeePass, LastPass, and my particular favorite, 1Password.

On 3/31/2018 10:34 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Hi Everyone!

Recently i've found that i've become terrible at remembering
passwords for different things and sites, does anyone have any


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