moderated Re: help required for remembering passwords

Steve Matzura

Excellent! Go get 'em!

On 3/31/2018 2:52 PM, Val Paul wrote:
Hi Steve!

You've just made me feel a million dollars!

I'm just hopeless at making up passwords!


On 31/03/2018 19:47, Steve Matzura wrote:
When it comes to thinking up password for sites and other things, some password managers (like 1Password) can generate passwords of any length based on rules defined by the user. Are capital letters allowed? Are numbers allowed? Whitespace? Are there rules about consecutive characters allowed or not? Repeated characters allowed or not? 1Password can do all of these things, and the others probably can, too.

These programs are designed to help us non-password-thinker-uppers, and last I looked, there were about seven plus billion of us, so don't be put off by what these things can do for you.

On 3/31/2018 12:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Some of the most secure passwords are never words which actually exist. Here is what I do and this might help you.
First, think of a sentence you can remember, the sillier the better. I'm German originally, but I moved to Canada in 1989 when I was 22, went to the University of Calgary (UfC) and so on, so here is a sentence I might come up with (for those who don't know, a "Squarehead" is a derogatory name from the early 1900's for Germans:

I am a squarehead, moved to Canada in 1989 and graduated from the University of Calgary in 1994.

Now take the first letter of eadch word using it's proper case (upper or lower case), use any punctuation (there is a comma after "farmboy" and a period at the end and you can maybe shorten 1989 to just 89. Put it all together and you get this password:


Here you now have a 22-character long password with upper case, lower case, numbers and symbols and something like that is as good as a randomly generated password.
Something that long I might use as my master password for a password manager, you can come up with shorter phrases/passwords for other things.
If symbols are not allowed which sometimes is the case you can simply leave them out.


-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

Hi Guys!

that's the trouble, i can never think of one which you could say was master secure, and if i did, i'd probably have forgotten it about 10 minutes later.


On 31/03/2018 16:49, Steve Matzura wrote:
Tom, unfortunately you're correct, which is why you mitigate the risk
by making that master password very ver'r'r'ry secure. Granted,
there's risk in everything when it comes to password management, but
since there are so many ways a password, even a long one, can be
obfuscated, it pays to remember just one fancy one instead of half a
hundred shorter ones. Substituting punctuation symbols for letters is
a common method, and since there are so many symbols and so many ways
to use and combine them, even brute-force attacks won't be of much use.

On 3/31/2018 11:26 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Perhaps I'm old and not as informed as I should be, but my problem
with these password manager programs is that if someone somehow gets
your credentials, they will suddenly have access to all of your

If I'm in error about this, please let me know.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

KeePass, LastPass, and my particular favorite, 1Password.

On 3/31/2018 10:34 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Hi Everyone!

Recently i've found that i've become terrible at remembering
passwords for different things and sites, does anyone have any suggestions?


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