Moderated Re: help required for remembering passwords

Steve Matzura

Here's another idea for making up individual passwords in case you aren't comfortable with the password-generation portion of a password manager. I call it using a password formula.  Think of a root, either a favorite word or character combination--let's say for the sake of an example,  today's date, March 31. Now let's add to that string at least one punctuation symbol. For example's sake, let's use the left square bracket symbol, '['. Now we have a string that looks like this:


Now, let's think about the service we want to log onto. For example's sake, let's say it a grocery delivery service, like one we have here in New York called Fresh Direct. Let's generate a four-character  code out of the two words "Fresh Direct" by taking the first two vowels, e and i, and the first two consonants, f and r. Now our string looks like:


Do this for every site you want to log onto. Of course, these passwords will be stored in your password manager, but a good and valid reason to use a password formula is that if you ever need that password and you're not using a computer that uses the password manager you normally use and it doesn't have your password store, you can still log on to that Website by remembering the formula you used when you made up the password. So now you're protected twice. Once by the password manager's master unlock password, and once by remembering the formula you used to create the passwords so if something happens to your password vault, or you're out somewhere and  you need to get in to a password-protected site, you're covered.

On 3/31/2018 1:01 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
Well, it would in theory be easier to remember one master password rather than trying to keep track of X number of passwords and what account they correspond to.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

Hi Guys!

that's the trouble, i can never think of one which you could say was master secure, and if i did, i'd probably have forgotten it about 10 minutes later.


On 31/03/2018 16:49, Steve Matzura wrote:
Tom, unfortunately you're correct, which is why you mitigate the risk
by making that master password very ver'r'r'ry secure. Granted,
there's risk in everything when it comes to password management, but
since there are so many ways a password, even a long one, can be
obfuscated, it pays to remember just one fancy one instead of half a
hundred shorter ones. Substituting punctuation symbols for letters is
a common method, and since there are so many symbols and so many ways
to use and combine them, even brute-force attacks won't be of much use.

On 3/31/2018 11:26 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Perhaps I'm old and not as informed as I should be, but my problem
with these password manager programs is that if someone somehow gets
your credentials, they will suddenly have access to all of your

If I'm in error about this, please let me know.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: help required for remembering passwords

KeePass, LastPass, and my particular favorite, 1Password.

On 3/31/2018 10:34 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Hi Everyone!

Recently i've found that i've become terrible at remembering
passwords for different things and sites, does anyone have any suggestions?


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