Re: Strange occurrence turning on the computer

Maria Campbell

Adventure, yes.  I don't know about the glorious part.


"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 9/21/2017 2:17 AM, Angel wrote:
Of course it is more difficult for us blind individuals to do every day things.  But, that isn't new for us blind people.  It is more difficult, because sighted people believe blindness is a tragedy, to be avoided. Rather than a glorious adventure.  Which is experienced by we who are fortunate to be so.  Can you imagine the problem solving skills we must develop.  To accomplish even some simple things?  Which improves our intelligence, and creative abilities?  Because they feel so, they fear blindness, and make all they do visually oriented.  Their world moves so rapidly. Without a thought for us. Or that we might need to keep up.  When we first began selling the idea of accessible smart     phones, we pointed out, and rightly so, the distinct advantages for sighted smart phone users to use the accessible screen reader.  Built in to their phones.  Do they use these features.  I don't mean serie, I mean voice over.  They do not.  Why is this, I ask?  It is because they would have to face a steep learning curve.  Yet, many of us scale that curve.  With less effort.  Than we might have believed.  Every day, I am astonished at the number of hurtles I overcome.  I didn't believe I could have performed.  I am constantly amazed at the enormous intelligence demonstrated by blind people who share the lists to which I belong.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Barnett" <randy@...>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: Strange occurrence turning on the computer

Only if you can see... There are sighted people here that will tell us
everything is so much better than it ever was for accessibility. Ha! It
is harder and harder to do alot of every day things...
On 9/20/2017 1:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I don't hear Overlay, but I just about 99 times out of 100 have to press Windows+D to get to my Desktop. There are so many more burdens with 10 and Outlook than when I had XP and Outlook Express. I have to play all kind of tricks on Outlook. Sometimes my Sent column will say zero, and there is nothing there, so I have to exit, come back in, and there they are. When I come in and a few times during the day I have to press Control+Y and 4 to go to 4carolyna@windstream, then Control+y and I to go to my Inbox, then Alt+Tab to get any new emails. I always thought that the newer things were supposed to be easier, more convenient - not so.

Best from,


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Strange occurrence turning on the computer

  From what I can tell it has to do with the way windows does its virtual desktop scheme. Narrator will say the same thing from time to time. It is a hidden thing that only screenreaders seem to pick up on. Nothing wrong and nothing to be done about it.
On 9/20/2017 11:46 AM, marvin kotler wrote:
Ann, Marv here.  I have had this problem for some time; After jaws
says windows overlay windows 0, I just use windows plus m and the
above mentioned disappears with no more interference.  There are no
menus or anything else related to this.  I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Strange occurrence turning on the computer

the windows 10 list talked about this for a while.  I don't recall
there being a reason given, but it didn't seem to indicate a problem.
Just a Windows 10 gremlin.
At 05:51 AM 9/19/2017, you wrote:

Jaws 18 and Windows 10 ……

Normally when I turn the computer on I wait approximately 10 to 20
seconds and then Jaws will say “Jaws home use” and I’m ready to go.

Yesterday, when I turned the computer on after about 5 or 10 seconds
Jaws said “Jaws for windows, overlay windows zero, overlay windows
zero, overlay windows zero”.  Then, after another 5 or 10 seconds
Jaws said “Jaws home use” and I was ready to go.

I’ve had this computer for almost four months and this has never
happened. Has anybody experienced anything like this and is this
something to be concerned about?  Thanks for any input.


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