-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Its a trend that some sighted people just dont get and since they are in charge...
On 8/2/2017 9:01 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

You know with mine, first thing, Windows M will not bring me to the
Desktop only Windows D, whereupon it says Recycle, which, of course, I
know is the first icon on my Desktop.
Before I go to the Desktop, if I press Insert T, JAWS says, lost
focus, press Alt Tab, well, of course, I have done that, got me as far
as spitting in the wind, then Windows M, no go, but Windows D gets me
there. More and more, as computers are supposed to get better, I have
more and more burdens. In Outlook now, when I come into the Inbox, I
have to go to the Server box, then back to the Inbox, then press
Alt+Tab before any emails will arrive. I don't know how my
husband and I managed to figure that out, but I can say it is a
downright nuisance, and I think a totally unnecessary problem. In
word, sometimes, the last document I closed goes to the bottom of the
folders - why, I haven't the slightest idea, just a little thing that
required extra thought on my part to find the thing. For 12 years, I
used JAWS and Windows system without having to endure such nonsense.
It just makes me wonder what imposition is around the corner.
If I sound disgusted, then, I have gotten my point across.

Best from,

Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the information ...... This helps a lot.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben
Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

Hi Laura,

it seems Win+D and Win+M are not exactly the same thing.

Win+D specifically shows the desktop but JAWS
doesn't speak "Desktop" as it should

Win+M minimizes everything it can then JAWS speaks "Desktop"

You can definitively verify for yourself where
Win+anything takes you using JAWS+q
This will announce the currently running program.

So, Win+D then JAWS+Q says shcore.dll
And Win+M then JAWS+Q says shell32.dll

So JAWS knows shell32 is desktop. But it doesn't know shcore.dll is
also desktop.

Perhaps this "bug" was introduced in Windows 10 when Microsoft renamed
shlwapi.dll to shcore.dll. We can see that Freedom at one time had
the former speaking "Desktop" but has not updated it for the latter
(see script file "Windows OS.jss")

So Win+M is going to give you the consistent results you're after
until VFO fixes.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Ben

At 04:06 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:

I understand that but it doesn't seem normal for Jaws to randomly
give me variations of what it says when I go to the desktop .. I'm
just trying to find out why this is happening, as well as why every
time I press insert + t Jaws says "documents"

instead of
"desktop".

Laura


Laura

From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & desktop issues

It's normal for Jaws to say folder view.
Try using windows m instead of windows d.

Hope this helps.

Pastor Gil

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:38 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & desktop issues

Hello,

There are two issues I'm having regarding Jaws and my desktop which
I'll describe below ..
Using Windows 10, Jaws 18, MS Word 2016.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + m Jaws will always say
desktop folder view list view and the name of the icon that's
highlighted .. No

problems with this.

When I go to the desktop by pressing windows + d I get a variation of
what Jaws tells me:
*Sometimes it only says the name of the icon that's highlighted (it
does not say desktop or anything else, just the name of the icon)
*Sometimes it says "folder view list view" and the name of the icon
that's highlighted (but not desktop or

anything else)

*Sometimes it says desktop 1 and something about shell something or
another .. This one doesn't happen as often as the other things Jaws
says when I go to the desktop which is why I don't have exactly

what Jaws says.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason and I never know which one of
these Jaws is going to say when I go to the desktop by pressing
Windows +d.

The other issue is that no matter which way I go to the desktop, when
I press insert + t Jaws always says "documents" .. This happens no
matter what icon

is highlighted.

Does anybody have any suggestions or answers as to why these things
are occurring? .. Thank you for any

help.

Laura