Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns


Shannon
 

Hi Ted,
With all the new terminology that I am learning, could you tell me what you
mean by (see VLC)?
There are so many different things in JAWS and the feature names are not
familiar to me. I get lost in all the new words.

ThanksShannon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:22 PM
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Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

I Believe the tabs also work (see VLC). It shows controls you can't see any
other way. Wish it knew what they were!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi,
There are two touch cursor navigation modes: basic and advanced. The basic
mode will let you navigate controls within an app (left and right arrows),
while advanced mode will let you navigate through object hierarchy/GUI
element tree structure.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:45 PM
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No, This isn't the reason it isn't finding the controls. Rotor is only used
in Gesture mode. This is, I believe only applicable when using an actual
touch screen.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon" <shannon@bartchroofing.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns


Bill,
This is kind of cool. It could find some of the controls I know are
there but can't reach. It doesn't find all of them though.
I just popped into jaws 40 min mode to give this a brief test run. The
arrow keys and the number pad tab and shift tab move this guy around
but I heard the numpad say something about rotering through different
kinds of controls.
I didn't know what that meant. Is that why it can't find the other
things I know are there? They are different from the ones it did find?
Mostly it found buttons and headers.
Thanks for the info.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mario
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Bill, so when using the touch cursor, there's no need to use the arrow
keys, right? I'm asking because I really don't know how to use it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:41 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns

Hi, Shannon. To activate the Touch Cursor:

1. Open the program you want to navigate.

2.

Press SHIFT plus the plus sign on the Number Pad, or if using laptop
layout,

SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON



Once the Touch Cursor is active, use TAB and SHIFT plus TAB to
navigate between the various controls. When you find a control you
want to activate, press SPACE BAR.

Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Oh, this could be the thing I am looking for. These three programs
that are really giving me trouble are just like that! They have
buttons and pull downs and menues that are not tab, shift, tab Ctrl
Tab or arrow key reachable.

To get to them the mouse find command was hit or miss and mostly missed.

Any quicky pointers on this nifty little thing? I always wondered what
perspective was being read when I used the number pad with JAWS? It
never seamed to be doing what I thought it should. We uses the numpad
for the mouse. So If this little thing is like a mouse only not a
mouse, how do you control it? Can you click when you find it?

Thanks

Shannon



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



There are basically 3 cursors. The regular PC cursor that is the
default and used most often. it navigates the controls using tab and
arrow keys. the second is the Jaws cursor that moves the mouse pointer
with the arrow keys.
this is usually only used when PC cursor wont work. the touch cursor
was Jaws fix for windows using things that don't work with the first
two cursors. It is used with the left right arrow keys. I only started
using the touch cursor in windows 10. It is not as complicated as it
sounds once you have used them for a wile.
On 5/17/2017 12:01 PM, Shannon wrote:

That is the second time I have heard about this touch curser?

So Jaws has 4 kinds of cursers? Jaws curser,virtual curser PC curser
Mouse over lay, and now a Touch curser?

Oh boy. What is a touch curser for? If that is for a tablet then I can
not worry about it. I don't have one of those.

Audio ducking sounds like a good thing. I can't tell you or most
likely, I don't have to tell you, how annoying and difficult to deal
with the sounds from a web page while useing a screen reader at the same
time.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Hi,

At least for now, Window-Eyes will work on Windows 10 (including the
latest release which is Creators Update), but that's not always going
to be so in the future. There are certain features introduced in later
JAWS releases that makes Windows 10 and universal apps a bit easier to
use, the most important of which is touch cursor (JAWS 15). There are
also features that takes advantage of Windows 8.x and 10 functionality
such as audio ducking (JAWS 18); regarding audio ducking, it has
received mixed reviews.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Randy ,

You know, I strongly suspected that to be the case. I was too afraid
to get Win 10 when they were offering it so I didn't. Sigh.

Too many things could have gone wrong and then what would I do?

Now I am stuck with it. And now it looks like there is a newer version
coming out? Creator?

Oh boy!

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:21 PM
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Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Its windows 8.1! Universally disliked. :) Just my opinion but win 10
is better than win 8.1 and I dont care for win 10 all that much. But
to be fair it isnt terrible either I just think win 7 is better.
On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Shannon wrote:

I am running windows 8.1.

I am not a big fan of it either. Actually I am not sure what exactly I
don't like. This computer has been goofy since I got it. Not sure if
it was Windows or WE but it gives me fits all the time in all the
programs mentioned. Don't really know which is the culprit.



Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Jaws works with office 2010 pretty well. Surfing the web and doing
most tasks. Witch version of windows do you have at work? win 7 is my
preference and most business's still use it.
On 5/17/2017 10:19 AM, Dennis L wrote:

Jaws works fine with office 2010. It can surf the web fine.






From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New user here; JAWs questions and concerns



Good morning,

I am a potential new user of JAWS. I would be one of many conversions
from WindowEyes.

I have downloaded the trial of JAWS 18 and pretty concerned about what
it can and cannot do.

I know that there is a large learning curve I will have to go through,
and that is only one of my concerns.

I have been reading the list for the last few days and a few things
mentioned by others concern me.

I also use here at work Office 2010, Outlook, Word and Excel all the time.

I saw a mention of excel not working well with JAWS? Is that true?
That would be a deal breaker for me.

I use spread sheets every single day to do my job. I also use on a
daily basis the MS Query feature. Will JAWS handle the queries?

I make mail merge documents frequently and they tie to the MS Databases.



Will Jaws work with outlook 2010? I have over 10 different email
profiles set up and I need access to them.

Does JAWS have a way to search the screen for text or buttons to be
clicked by the mouse or a "HotSpot" feature as WE did/does? I use that
feature everyday along with custom scripts to get access to the time
keeping software programs.

The language in the control panel seams so foreign to me. I can't
tell, but it seems as if Jaws acknowledges 4 kinds of cursers? A
virtual curser, a JAWS curser, PC Curser, and something called Mouse
overlay?

Is the Jaws curser the mouse? What is the Mouse overlay? Can I read
the screen with the mouse?



Since I am new and don't know how it works and how to configure it I
can't tell what I can and can't do.

I can tell that many functions of the accounting program, and the
three programs that are involved in time tracking do not behave well
and most likely are going to require special custom scripts.

Before I spend a lot of money and time I want to know if Jaws can even
do the little stuff like Office and surfing the web?

If JAWS doesn't like Office 2010 what version does it like?

Thanks for your time.

Shannon





















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