well great I guess we can all drop the issue since you know what is best for all people in all situations... I bow in awe of your ability to know all that is needed in all situations for all people... We will just consult you from now on and let thy be judged.

On 5/15/2017 10:16 PM, James Homuth wrote:

That had nothing to do with possible other disabilities. That had everything
to do with what I see as general altogether hand holding. Window Eyes did a
lot of things that let users get away with being perhaps not as careful as
they should be. That was one of those things, albeit a minor one, and one
every other screenreader realized a long time ago served little actual
purpose.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

We are a community of people with disabilities. Some have multiple
disabilities. So what is up with this attitude?: "

Now, if he wanted a hand holder as opposed

to a screen reader, that's another discussion"

On 5/15/2017 10:00 PM, James Homuth wrote:

Actually, if you want to take me literally, when he types, the screen
shows ***. So, when he types, JAWS reads ***. So yes, JAWS is in this
context literally being a screen reader. Now, if he wanted a hand
holder as opposed to a screen reader, that's another discussion.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

LOL thats his complaint it isnt saying what he types. In this case it
is a non screen reader.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:

Good for you. I do the same thing with very similar results. But this
is not corporate level security. This is pay attention to what you're
typing. It's there to read the screen, not hold your hand. Hence,
screen

reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Whats the security risk in this guys situation? Or does everyone have
to use corporate/government level security I have never got one virus
or have had my PC hacked in over 20yrs. I turn off windows firewall
configure my router and I download torrents and go on all kinds of
sites... Common sense works better than having a nanny mentality

controlling all your PC choices...

Just my experiences and opinions... :) n 5/15/2017 9:28 PM, James
Homuth wrote:

Every modern screenreader has done away with that option for
security reasons. The chances of it coming back are slim to none.
Heck, even everyone's favourite JAWS alternative doesn't do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't
see it why should we hear it?
This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to
improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a password.
Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws
speech history could bring that up and see if they can't find a
passsword in

there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better
screen

reader...

I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:

i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it
for obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to
enter it again. I assume other password managers have a similar
feature, but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



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