Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

Gudrun Brunot

Yeah, Robin!


-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Frost []
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

Oh dear at the risk of getting flamed or other wise in trouble I must respectfully disagree with that which I read below as it is stated.
While I think that doing so should be part of one's over-all training in an effort to instruct the blind it might not be the sole criteria therein.
I'll keep it brief as this is straying from the perhaps defined parameters of this list. However, I'd like to posit the following:
While I'm always impressed by those sighted individuals with whom I interact over technological concerns who are willing to walk the extra mile in my shoes as it were and embrace how to do things through the use of access technology as we do in order to gain a fuller understanding I also think it's incumbent upon me and in fact necessary for me to do so in kind. For we will never fully escape the fact that we live in a very visually oriented world and the more adept we become in navigating its terrain and terminology especially the more technologically advanced it becomes the more advantageous it'll be to our own productivity, efficiency and well being.
I've known both sighted and blind instructors who were fabulous at their given vocations and I've known both who had no business doing that which they got paid to do. I've also known both who've given freely of their time and talents from whom many have benefited.
So while we're all entitled to our opinions, likes and dislikes I hope at least speaking for myself that I can both learn from, engage with and even disagree with opposing points of view without needing to surrender civility and courtesy. As with many things there's more than one way to accomplish a given thing and my way might not be that which would be most useful to anyone else and vice versa. but often there are helpful terminologies and modalities which even if not regularly embraced by choice can serve to help one cross boundaries and communicate with others more effectively.
Happy learning and computing one and all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Improving my teaching approach and/or sensitivity

If it hasn't been said before, I will:
To learn how to teach JAWS, disconnect the mouse and turn off the screen.
At 03:53 PM 2/4/2016, you wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 01:34 pm, Jean Menzies <> wrote:
I agree with the poster that a more appropriate use of language here
would be to “select” something, etc. In other words, name the
action/result, rather than referencing it through sighted jargon.


At this point I'm convinced that, on both sides [so to speak
- this isn't a battle, it's an exchange of ideas] there is some
talking past each other going on.

I will say this, then I am going to let it go. I often,
probably more often than not, say "select" something when that's what
I want someone to do. I do, occasionally, slip and say "click on"
something when I would generally say "select" in the context of
tutoring. It simply happens. I've been a classroom instructor, too,
and you just find yourself occasionally (and, in that situation,
almost exclusively) using the jargon of the majority, and when it
comes to graphical user interfaces that majority is the sighted and
the jargon relates to what they (I/we) do. I am, however, acutely
aware of the context shift when I'm doing private tutoring and adjust accordingly.

All I'm saying is that I think it's essential to teach my
students that should I, or anyone else assisting them, for that
matter, say "click on" something that this means "select" something.
I'm not doing anyone any favors by assiduously avoiding any incursion
of the most common computer use terminology because my student so
happens to be using a screen reader. I'm doing them a disservice if I
don't make the connection clear between what they will hear far more
commonly and what that means practically.

Now, from just what I've learned here, I'm actually shocked
at how few people have ever been formally taught about context menus
and their invocation via the right mouse click, whether one is using
an actual mouse or alternate input device to generate it. These menus
are things of beauty, and high efficiency, because they generally are:
* presented as true menus, which virtually every screen-reader user
on this forum has claimed they like best.
* present only the things that are possible for the object type you
have focus on (though there can be stippled out items if their actual
use is not possible given the confluence of circumstances at that moment).

And, finally, so that I can have people storming all over me
and decrying my breathing their air, it's about my making my students
maximally functional in the computer world, not the JAWS world, as far
as I'm concerned. That means making sure that they understand
concepts that others do one way that they will do another, but so that
when that concept is named that other way they absolutely know what
that means functionally to them. You can't, and shouldn't, expect to
operate in an assistive technology bubble.


Join to automatically receive all group messages.