Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7


HAMILTON
 

Peter :

However, without the "Merge Utility", users will still have to save their
settings in the cloud if they do not want to do all the work needed to re-do
set-up their settings for every new JAWS version that gets released, or if
they strongly object to using the cloud at all. I really do think that
"priority" should be placed on returning the Merge Utility! It could be
done in 1 of the "earliest" general updates to V: 17.

Of course, I am assuming that FS really cares about users' feedback! In
fact, I do not recall this much fuss being raised about almost any other
change made to JAWS over the years.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:21 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello Jim and everyone,

It's possible to have it both ways. JAWS could be directed to store
a user's settings locally for those who prefer that setup or store them in
the cloud for users wanting easy access to them in the event of a computer
crash or if one buys a new computer. During installation if the cloud option
is selected JFW could be directed to retrieve your user settings from the
cloud so they can be reloaded with ease. This doesn't need to be an
either/or proposition.


Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:50 PM
To: 'Bill White'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Having JAWS totally in the cloud would scare the daylights out of me!
However, having JAWS settings in the cloud is no less of a security concern!

In my view, the ONLY thing that makes sense is to have a "fail-safe" way to
access your JAWS settings which is "resident" on your PC/lap top/tablet.
That way, people, who DO NOT want to use the cloud, will not be forced to do
so, and access to these settings would be available even if your PC/lap
top/tablet is not connected to the internet at the time.

I ask you... is the cloud REALLY NECESSARY? My response is clearly NO!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi, Drew. Freedom Scientific is not going to run JAWS in the cloud. Only the

settings will be stored in the cloud. So you wouldn't be able to log on with

different devices and not have JAWS on your PC.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7


The biggest advantage of having Jaws in the cloud in my opinion would
be that it wouldn't be effecting the operation of your PC. It would
also be much easier to use Jaws on multiple computers as you would
just need to log into the cloud on whatever computer you are using. As
far as security goes, for real hackers as long as a computer is
connected to the internet periodically it doesn't matter weather the
info is on the cloud or the hard drive they can still access it.
Should be interesting what will happen with this, but I am all for the
cloud.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:35 PM
To: 'Peter Donahue'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good evening Peter:

Over the last several years, we have seen a lot of news about some
exceedingly security-conscious organizations, e.g. US Government,
being hacked into. So, I do not believe that anything is "perfectly"
safe; but,
I
do believe that I am better off when I keep personal information very
close to home. In my view, no "cloud" is hacker-proof.

This feature may be seen by many as a good idea; but, I strongly
believe that users should be given the choice of where their JAWS
settings are saved! This kind of stuff is just too important to put
out into an ethernet cloud - public, or private! If I do not have an
internet signal, what will happen? Will I just have to wait until my
signal returns before I can use JAWS again. And, what happens if JAWS
access is needed in an emergency?

In short, there MUST be a "fail-safe" way to access JAWS settings when
desired/required!

To be honest, finding a way to keep the Merge Utility would seem to be
a more "current" problem to resolve, rather than "where" JAWS settings
are stored. It still confounds me that it would be left out in JAWS
17; but, I am only a "user".

For years, I have considered JAWS to be about the best screen reader,
despite its various problems. However, my perception of how Version
17 has been planned, and especially regarding how much it appears that
this version was just not very-well thought out, is causing second
thoughts on my part.

Perhaps, I'm a dinosaur; but, I bet that other JAWS users have the
same concern that I have expressed. Frankly, I want to KEEP my
privacy as long as I can, and I also would prefer that control of my
"necessary" aids be left in MY hands.

It is my hope that FS will keep these concerns in mind when going forward.
For instance, are there any plans to "re-introduce" the Merge Utility
in an upcoming "update" to Version 17? And, despite your confidence
in "cloud storage" of JAWS settings, might there be some thought to
giving users that "fail-safe" of which I wrote?

That's all for now. Thanks for listening.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good afternoon,

There are public and private clouds. FS would obviously use a
private cloud to address privacy concerns. We use a number of cloud
applications and have not had issues with our privacy being
compromized or our devices being hacked. Being able to have JAWS
reload user settings and configurations from the cloud would be a
welcome feature in a future version.

Peter Donahue




Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Sorry folks! My overriding concern is "privacy", of which there is
NONE
in
the cloud! And, it's yet more information available "out there" for
anyone,
with the skills, to find about me, or anyone else!

OK; so, I'm a technical dinosaur; bbut, I'm not alone.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored
in
the
cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We
would
never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree.
Bring it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see
it become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with
your user settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as
saved settings whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and
authorize it on another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS
settings, I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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