Re: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>

Thanks for that idea, Pablo. I will start a folder with keystrokes
specific to the ribbon menus. I am thinking that if I get familiar enough
with them that some sort of pattern will emerge.

Bye for now,


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 12:55 PM
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Subject: RE: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons

Hi, Pablo.

I have Office 2010. There are three ways I work with or around the

1. Use shortcuts wherever possible when I remember them. control-c for
copy is an obvious one. There are many. If you don't already have a list
of keyboard shortcuts, you can locate more than one with a Google search.

2. You may have noticed that as you tab through the ribbons, JAWS
verbalizes individual letters at many functions. They tell you which
letters to press in order to go directly to those functions in the
future. I admit they can be a little misleading. Specifically, one
sequence might begin "h," when it really means alt-h, followed by the
non-alt letters it identifies. Still, with this limitation in mind, they
are a help.

3. Explore the ribbons with the objective of figuring out how they're
organized. The one that's best laid out in Word 2010 is the alt-f "file
menu." After pressing alt-f, instead of beginning by tabbing, arrow down
through what is a general list. Once you've absorbed the list, tab from
any item that interests you for specifics.

I maintain a Word document that I constantly update where I list
functions and shortcuts, along with tricks of the trade. If I haven't yet
memorized a shortcut, this document enables me to find it with a quick

I hope this gives you a slightly more positive approach to the ribbons.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [] On Behalf Of Pablo
Morales via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 12:18 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Pablo Morales;;
Subject: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons

Using the virtual ribbon, there is a way to know what are the keystrokes
associated with each item in the ribbons?

Use the ribbons helps a lot to understand the structure of the ribbons,
with the virtual ribbon off, is time consuming and is very easy to get
lost navigating with the tab key only. But with the virtual ribbons on,
the keystrokes doesn't work, and sometimes I don't know what is worse, if
the virtual ribbons on or off. But if I need to get to a place in the
ribbon, I have no way to learn the keystrokes, only deactivating the
virtual ribbons and pressing tab many many times, and probably getting

So I see both ways very inconvenient.

Is there a way to get the keystrokes and at the same time keeping the
logic structure of the ribbons,?

I am trying to teach people to use MS word, and excel, but the ribbons is
very hard to make them understand the structure of each ribbons, but the
ribbon as unique tool using these programs is not going to be so
efficient in the future either.

So there is a way to get the keystrokes when we are navigating through
the virtual ribbons, and like this once we know where and what is the
structure of the ribbons, just use the keystrokes associated with each
item on the ribbons?


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