Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Lile,

I think if the help tutorial wasn't updated, it will be present in later
versions of Jaws. I will probably go and revisit that tutorial again, as
it's been a couple of years since I listened to it.

Les

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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

And the best part is JAWS help for Office 2007 has a really good short
course on using the ribbon. I haven't checked to see if it's duplicated for
later versions of office, but 2007 was the ribbon's initial debut.

Ted

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Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS
ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means
we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online
solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems
regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the
virtual ribbon.

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Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the
keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are
given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with
the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because
virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the
ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that
was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more
trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but
for now, I won't be using that feature.

Les

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So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or
where I am?

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Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys
plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS
instructions while navigating.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate
for ribbon information?

Carolyn


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Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually
navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed
to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true
in most instances.

Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon
without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual
Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to
check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the
function of some of the shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

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Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.

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Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that
this setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to
work
properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

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Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

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Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

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Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
the ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It
just says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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