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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...> #32271 Hello Carolyn, To turn the virtual ribbon on or off; 1. Press insert F 2, 2. Press S approximately 3 times until you hear Settings Center, 3. Press enter, 4. Type ribbon in the edit field that comes up, and down arrow to select it, 5. You will probably be prompted to use the default, and instructed to press control, shift, D; do so, 6. press space bar to choose use virtual ribbon, or not, 7. Tab once for instructions or twice to the okay button to implement your selection. Cheers Kevin. toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: August-10-15 5:52 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@...> Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Is there a way to get the traditional ribbon or whatever in 2013 and not have this upper and lower ribbon? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@...> Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the virtual ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:33 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Les Kriegler Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but for now, I won't be using that feature. Les -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@...> Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or where I am? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:13 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@...> Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS instructions while navigating. Bill White billwhite92701@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for ribbon information? Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@...> Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this: JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most instances. Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the shortcuts. Bill White billwhite92701@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@...> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks. Les -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@...> Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually impaired users. Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking this option need to be aware of the consequences. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS: Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter. Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to Open Miscellaneous. Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS. To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the letter D as in dog. Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to work properly. If it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and press Enter to save these settings. I hope this helps you. Bill White billwhite92701@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@...> Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing: ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu? This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under Miscellaneous is unchecked. Bill White billwhite92701@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@...> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Hi, I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws speaks. Les -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Kevin Hourigan Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Hello Barbra, I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up "Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen via Jfw Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM To: Jfw lists <jfw@...> Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...> Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Hi List friends, Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It just says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says "blank". Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 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