First letter navigation does work in the virtual ribbon. I don't mean the
Office shortcuts; I mean true first letter navigation. If there is more than
one item starting with the same letter, you will have to press enter on the
one you want. The only thing I like about virtual ribbons is the fact that
it is very easy to see the groups because they show in submenus. I teach
students, and I always show them both ways to navigate the ribbons and lay
out the pros and cons of both very clearly so that they can make their own
informed decision. I'm all about choice when it comes to computers.
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:13 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS instructions while navigating. Bill White billwhite92701@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010 So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for
ribbon information?
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bill White
via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually navigate
the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the
menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most
instances.
Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without
telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This
may
be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual
Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the
shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@...>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:
Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.
Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this
setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.
To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.
Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to work properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.
I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?
This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
Hi,
I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@...>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010
Hi List friends,
Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It just
says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Barbara
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