Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?
Russell Solowoniuk
Windows 10 is working great for me... I don't mind the fact that Jaws
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doesn't automatically read search results, as it's usually not the first result I am looking for, so must arrow down the list anyway. Mostly Jaws is quite responsive and all my programs open very quickly. Cheers, Russell
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:55 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? I definitely agree with waiting until around the first of the year. That was my initial intention until my programs began to die on me one at a time. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:08 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, Correct (Gabriel Aul from Microsoft tweeted that there will be a service release this month). As for bad side of continuous refinements and updates, that's one thing I'm slightly worried about: accessibility issues. For this reason, I advised some knowledgeable blind people (including some JAWS users here) to stay as Windows Insiders to help Microsoft iron out accessibility problems before the general public receives updates. But as with any software releases, Windows 10 will have flaws (a trending topic on various social networking sites and newspaper articles is privacy concerns, and for screen reading, Microsoft did something with UIA where performance degradation was observed for some screen reader users). As for upgrade period: yes, Windows 10 will be free for properly licensed users until July 2016. Many would say, "take advantage of Windows 10 now". However, I and others would like to advise you to hold off for a while (especially for screen reader users; for JAWS users, please don't upgrade until JAWS 17 comes out; there are certain things JAWS 16.0.4350 doesn't support, including not reading Start search results automatically (to fix this, JAWS may need to listen to a specific UIA event), no forms mode nor virtual cursor in Edge (Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA) and not announcing Action Center notifications for some users (to fix this, FS may need to refine which controls are toasts, and toasts in Windows 10 are not tool tips anymore, rather they are actual windows)). Cheers, Joseph P.S. Let me know if I spoke too much geekspeak. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com> Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Joseph, I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll be content to wait. I assume the "bad" part you refer to is that from time to time, a "refinement" may disrupt accessibility because screenreader developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Joseph Lee Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Hi, There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements will be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing. Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps together into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple desktops with apps for different purposes opened in each desktop. By default, when you install Windows 10 and with multiple desktops opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle among apps on the current desktop (go to Settings/System/Multitasking to change this behavior). This isn't the same as having two or more user accounts (I for one use two user accounts and switch between them for various purposes). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com> Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore. Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Martin via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person? 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