Carolyn,
On this list email, replying directly to sender does not work. If you read the "TO:" field after pressing Insert+Shift+R you will hear that it's still going to the jfw list.
Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 05:25 PM Subject: Re: PDF documents You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does. I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and image. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM To: Greg Nickel via Jfw Cc: Carolyn Arnold Subject: Re: PDF documents
Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord, if you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case that snaps open and shut.
In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy duty headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18 inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife. There is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it to
accommodate print size.
Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and it contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in a 9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.
The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go on and on.
The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:
optacon-l@freelists.org
It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet, you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps, as well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing what the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will make it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.
I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one, and the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon users. His name is Richard Oehm.
oehmelec@samobile.net
Richard Oehm
Oehm Electronics
2194C Galveston Avenue
San Jose, California 95122-3617
Telephone: (408) 971-6250
Fax: (408) 271-9188
Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you to
join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet lately.
Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.
Remember, life is what you make it,
Carolyn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents
Hi Carolyn
Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy to chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Carolyn Arnold Subject: Re: PDF documents
With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.
Remember, life is what you make it,
Carolyn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents
Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word doc?
On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural or otherwise that are line based drawings.
I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be better? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents
When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh! All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information. I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.
Ted
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents
I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.
Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents
How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents
Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.
Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents
No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16.
Ted
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents
Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents
Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.
Ted
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents
That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document.
I'll include the link for her here.
http://robobraille.org/
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents
Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. Then I selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name. Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be searchable. Hope this helps.
I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.
Best
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Ann Byrne Subject: Re: PDF documents
If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition, then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into another form, such as Word or text.
good luck! At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that she could do a search of this one large document and find different words in it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks!
Bar
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