Re: PlaceMarkers and JAWS


Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Glad I was able to help.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
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Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 7:26 AM
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Subject: RE: PlaceMarkers and JAWS

No, I didn't mean complicated--far from it. I meant exactly what I said,
obscure. I never heard of it, no one talks about it, but it's just what I
was looking for! Thanks.

Ted

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Ted,

The instructions I sent you may indeed seem complicated, but the process is
quite straightforward once you get the hang of how it works.

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Man, that's obscure. Thanks a lot. I'll try it.

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Ted,

You do not need to change any Word settings. Instead, just follow the below
instructions very carefully, as the process of returning to where you left
off is a bit tricky. There are two ways to access the feature to which I'm
referring, and I strongly recommend the second method.
Method 1. When you open a Word document you previously accessed, JAWS will
announce the "resume reading" pane with focus on the "resume reading"
button. Unfortunately, the resume reading pane does not linger, so if you
don't press the spacebar quickly, this method won't work.
Method 2. When you reopen a Word document, wait for the "resume reading"
pane to appear and disappear. Then press F6 until you land on the "resume
reading" pane, and activate the "resume reading" button by pressing
spacebar. This should place you where you were when you last closed the
document.

Unfortunately, the "resume reading" feature has three key limitations:
1. It works only in Word 2013, not in earlier versions.
2. It works only in files that have been created in Word 2013. Therefore,
if you want to use it in a file that was created in Word 2010 or earlier,
you are out of luck, unless, perhaps, you select the entire document, copy
and paste it into a blank Word 2013 file, and save it under a different
name.
3. If you open a document and press any navigation keystroke (e.g. attempt
to move by character, word, or line), the feature will no longer work
because the second the cursor moves, Word forgets your previous location.

I hope this helps.

Michal

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For Heaven's sake, how? What parameter do I set?

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Word 2013 can.

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As I recall, the training material said something about it early on, and I
thought, "That's for me." I have never understood why Word can't do what
WordPerfect and DisplayWrite could do decades ago, and what Excel can also
do--bring you in where you left off without fuss and bother!

Ted

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I had no idea placemarkers would work in Word. This is awesome!
At 06:57 AM 6/16/2015, you wrote:
I use them in Word documents, rather than the equivalent Insert
function in Word. Defining temporary, they stay after you close the
document, but are superseded by the next one, which makes them perfect
for my purpose.

Ted

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According to Surf's Up,Control-windows-k creates a temporary placemarker.
At 08:52 AM 6/14/2015, you wrote:
hello;
not sure of which version of jaws your using, but, the keystroke for
creating place markers, isn't ctrl+windows+k, I'm using jaws 16, the
keystroke is ctrl+shift+k, now tab to add, also, alt+windows+k will
announce the various place markers.



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Subject: PlaceMarkers and JAWS

With so much good Internet advice flying around on this list lately,
I thought I would raise a question that has been bugging me.

I use PlaceMarkers frequently, especially with Web applications that
I use all the time, including a document management Web App that I
access (keep loaded all the time) daily.

I'm wondering if there is a strategy to ensure that PlaceMarkers
always work. Frankly, the PlaceMarkers I have set tend to remain,
but the k key, which is supposed serially to jump from placeMarker to
PlaceMarker often skips PlaceMarkers that I know are there.
Sometimes, after JAWS has skipped over a PlaceMarker I can hit shift
K to go backwards, and sometimes JAWS will find the shy PlaceMarker.
Sometimes it does not.

Years ago, I had the same problem with WindowEyes, and have been
assuming that PlaceMarkers are just flakey and not terribly reliable
because of the peculiarities of the Net.

No one has told me that, and it occurred to me that I perhaps am
doing something wrong.

Here is what I do:

1. Press Control plus windows plus K

2. Choose Add PlaceMarker

3. accept the default name, link to text, use the default text (if I
know it is going to be constant), and choose domain only if I know
the element will always be on screen within the application.

Linking to text seems like it ought to increase the reliability of
the PlaceMarker, but I do not think that is true. Is it possible
that the opposite is true?

I think I'm making the right choice in indicating when it should be
linked to the domain instead of the specific page, but perhaps my
thinking is backwards.

If everyone else has the same reliability issues, then I'll continue
with my thought that PlaceMarkers are just flakey.



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I. Edward Marquette

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