Re: Method to the FS Madness


inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

loud applause and total agreement!

glad someone can say it stringently enough to have some acid in it without (like me) needing to switch to street lingo

I used to have a decent vocabulary, but lack of use does make things dusty and obscures the ability to lay one's fingers on the correct item.

elf
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Method to the FS Madness


Ed,

Good detective work, and yes it makes sense how these keystrokes could
change based on the state of virtual cursor. Now the question still remains:

If I was on the web page and in virtual mode and there was a graphic I
wanted to auto-label (sorry for the run-on) -- how would I do it?

I guess I'd have to route JAWS to the virtual cursor first, and then invoke
the auto-graphic label function.

I think the snakes of Freedom Medusa's hair are becoming more entangled, as
FS tries to accommodate every situation to a keystroke. There are an
infinite number of elements one could wish to have controlled by a
keystroke, but a finite number of keystrokes possible with only 8 fingers
and two thumbs. And only a few modifier keys on a standard keyboard.

From my perspective, and from the perspective of still being royally ticked
with FS's debacle with Excel, I would greatly appreciate them not taking
away key combinations in the interest of creating new ones.

FS -- are you reading? Get some hair-straightener and design consistent
code.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:01
Subject: Method to the FS Madness


Recently, there was a thread on this list discussing use of control plus
JAWS key (insert) plus g.
It seems that the command performs two functions. This seemed to me like a
blatant inconsistency. Well, there is still an inconsistency, but I
accidentally discovered a method to Freedom Scientific's madness.
Within Internet Explorer, and presumably FireFox as well, so-called quick
keys permit one to jump to various elements, both forward and backward.
Those keys are h for header, b for button, r for radio button, g for
graphic, I for item in a list, t for table, and so on. There are a bunch of
them. Add the shift key to any of the foregoing to jump backwards.
The JAWS help system says that any of these quick keys can be converted into
a command to display a list of the selected element just by using control
plus JAWS key (insert) with the letter.
So, control plus insert plus t will produce a list of tables.
But wait a minute!
Control plus insert plus b is the command for Braille options. Control plus
insert plus g is the graphics labeler. Aren't there bound to be
inconsistencies?
So, I ran a little test.
To my surprise, when I pressed control plus insert plus b, even within
Internet Explorer, I got Braille options.
Now, some of you doubtless think I'm about as dense as a Mahogany desk, but
it didn't occur to me immediately what the problem was. Initially, I just
thought FS was flakey. Well, that may be true, but not because of pure
inconsistency with these commands. After trying control plus insert plus b,
I tried control plus insert plus g. Guess what? The graphics labeler started
up.
Then the dawn of understanding illuminated my darkened mind. I had
automatic forms mode turned on, and my cursor was sitting in an edit field.
When I moved out of the edit box and the virtual cursor took over, control
plus insert plus g produced, as expected, a list of graphics. Control plus
insert plus b produced a list of buttons.
So, even within Internet Explorer, the keystrokes can produce completely
different results, depending upon whether or not the virtual cursor is
active. If the virtual cursor is on, insert plus control plus a quick key
will produce a list of the elements related to the quick key. If, however,
forms mode is on, whether triggered automatically or manually invoked, these
keystrokes will produce the results one would expect outside the Internet.
So, when one drills down far enough, there is, indeed, a method to Freedom
Scientific's madness.
Of course, that this whole thing troubled me so much probably gives you
cause to think I'm mad too, but for those who are curious (or as mad as I
am), this sort of makes sense.

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