Re: Netflix Scripting from DoItBlind

Maria Campbell

But isn't this always the way?
The more we get the more we want.

On 12/1/2015 9:42 AM, Alex Stone wrote:
Surely it wouldn't kill your sighted companion to have to listen to the
audio description would it?

On 01/12/2015 15:40, Cristóbal wrote:
Along with the descriptive audio now being provided with Netflix
originals, this is much welcomed progress.
The one feature I would really like, is the ability to sync two
separate feeds for simultaneous viewing. I.E. if you and a sighted
companion or companions wish to watch something together, one feed
could be the normal one and the second feed could be the audio
described version. Throwing on some headphones like in the theatre and
still being able to enjoy a film or series with description with
privacy would be a major plus.
I guess the ideal solution would be some sort of iOS or other portable
set up with a mobile device or with bluetooth headphones, but I'd even
be happy with stringing some headphones to a laptop just to have this
ability. Even getting one of those cheapy Windows tablets and a
bluetooth headset for more flexibility could be an option.
I don't know if something like this could even be possible. I could
only imagine that access would need to be granted to the secondary
device's microphone. Similar to how iOS apps function.
I do recall reading a few months ago an article regarding a Chrome add
on that enabled the synchronizing of two Netflix feeds for family and
friends and long distance relationship viewing. It supposedly took out
the hassel of always trying to manually syncing feeds by counting down
and allowed folks to pause and rewind and fast forward seemlessly
without losing synchronization.
Anyway... one can hope.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn [mailto:johnrobertmartyn@...]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: NetflixScripting from DoItBlind

Yes, I have the drop down already in programming. Locking down the
volume will take sighted assistance. But I got full screen working in
case you are entertaining.
There are other controls to this thing such as the play pause button
that I need sighted assistance for too. It is coming along nicely.
One thing I am experimenting with is the ability to view all the
playable movies in a single list such as the virtual viewer or probably
the results viewer more liekly since it supports more than links. There
is a ton of stuff you can do with this thing. Few years back and some
programming knowledge learned, it wasn't possible. Now it is within our
reach finally. The language selector is a group box that is readily
viewable and also subtitles can be controlled too.

On 11/30/2015 10:25 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:
This is probably something you've already dealt with, but you'll be
able to change audio feeds too, right?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn [mailto:johnrobertmartyn@...]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: NetflixScripting from DoItBlind

so far it is going well. naturally I went for the video interface and
controlling it. I can rewind and fast forward with a spoken time code.
Next comes the volume. Other special features will help you navigate
the site and allow you to move seamlessly through the site. Things like
what is viewable right now and the seasons lined up in an easy format.
The code is all UIA which means 15 and up, however to take advantage of
all the perks I have designed this with jaws 17 in mind, though it is
possible to rename things for IE using jaws 15 and up. Nice being able
to move about the movie seamlessly. Couldn't do that before.

On 11/30/2015 8:53 PM, Loreal via wrote:

That would be incredible if you could script for Netflix! I would
certainly be willing to try it out and see just how well it works.
Thank you for all of your hard work and all of your continuing efforts!

Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5

-------- Original message --------
From: John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@...>
Date: 11/30/2015 8:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: NetflixScripting from DoItBlind

JAWS 17 has enhanced the ability to script websites, it becomes
clear that what I tried years ago is now possible with the Web
programming and UIA scripting. I plan to script netflix in the coming
John Martyn

On 11/30/2015 5:13 PM, Lisa-Maree wrote:

Hi all,

About Netflix and accessing the next season of TV shows.

If you, by using the normal left and right arrows on the
keyboard, sit on the letter S of where it states the line Season plus
its number, press enter, then arrow down, you will get to the episodes
of that season. There are work arounds, but if the screen reader
doesn’t say the obvious, they can’t be found. I have windows 10, jaws
17, and I tried this with IE11.

I can see the screen to a degree, and how the screen is
laid out to how jaws often reads it, does not always match.


From: Joshua Hori [mailto:jhori@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Netflix not accessible to blind people using a
laptop and screen reading software.

Using Windows 7, JAWS 16 and Firefox. Full disclosure: I’m
a sited user with screenreader experience. (I prefer Firefox since I
get the best experience with a screenreader)

It seems that Netflix isn’t providing “focus" on content
once selected. For instance, I can navigate the site using a
screenreader by headers and/or links, (I bring up the links list and
look for “Audio Descriptions” and press enter, then I bring up the
links list again and navigate the list of movies that are now
available) but once I find a movie I would like to watch, I press
enter, but can’t access the new menu that drops down to play the
content, it just keeps navigating to the next movie. The work around is
to immediately bring up the headers, navigate to the header that’s
listed and press enter, which then allows me to access the content
within the dropdown (press tab once to access the play link).

TV shows are difficult to navigate as they all state “Play
link” (instead of “play episode 8”) and do not announce the episode
without using the arrow keys (press down a couple of times to hear more
about the episode). For TV seasons there is a dropdown button to change
seasons using the mouse, but I can’t locate the button with a
screenreader without using the virtual cursor, and I can’t access the
dropdown menu with a keyboard at all. You can access other episodes
using the “see previous titles Button” and “see more titles Button”
(bring up the form fields list to easily find these), but this is only
for the season displayed.

I hope this helps some.



From: Daniel McBride [mailto:dlmlaw@...]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Netflix not accessible to blind people using a
laptop and screen reading software.

Hello Tim:

Can you please clarify the accessibility issue we need
address with Netflix? On my Toshiba laptop, using Windows 8 and JAWS
14, I can get onto Netflix, manage to utilize the Search field, find
the movie, documentary or television program I desire and get it to
play. This is without Audio Description. And I am not able to select a
specific season and episode of a television program, such as Star Trek
Next Generation. I am simply stuck with playing whichever season and
episode is next up in my account.

I am going to email Netflix as requested in your email
here. I just want to be clear about what our hurdles are as blind
persons using Netflix. I will also add that I am a Rhapsody Music
subscriber and the problems with Rhapsody are worse than Netflix, if
anyone is interested.

Thanks for your efforts.

Dan McBride

Fort Worth, Texas

From: Tim Ford [mailto:ttford@...]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Netflix not accessible to blind people using a
laptop and screen reading software.

Hi All,

For those out there who want to use Netflix, here is an
email I received last evening that contains instructions on how to
contact the right people. As mentioned in the note, Netflix is still
not very interested in fixing things, and your continued emails to
Netflix are encouraged to keep some pressure on them.

Tim Ford

From: Accessible Netflix Project team

Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:46 PM

To: Tim Ford <mailto:ttford@...>

Subject: Re: Netflix not accessible to blind people using a
laptop and screen reading software.

This is kate! I am so sorry that your email has not been
replied to yet but we get a ton, and I mean, a ton of email. Robert
Kingett is the CEO and we are still trying to make them see what you
highlighted as well as others. To be quite frank, they would rather not
even bother with us, but we keep emailing and calling and bugging them,
professionally, I may add. In our experience, we never hear a sincere,
sorry! Let's work on these layout designs for JAWS OR NVDA users and I
doubt we will unless we keep pushing them like we have been doing.
Would you like to email Robert Kingett, He can give you more contacts
than I can. I am just the email manager. :) Below is a message we just
got that may help.


Hope you're well and thanks for your e-mail.

Going forward, can I suggest you contact Marlee Tart in the
global PR team please (her e-mail address is: mtart@...).

From your recent queries it's clear that your questions are
at global scale as opposed to regional/local, and this e-mail address
reaches the Australian and New Zealand PR agency team (and we don't
actually have visibility into a lot of the areas you're interested in).

I've dropped Marlee a line to let her know you'll be in



On 6/24/2015 5:32 PM, Tim Ford wrote:

To Whom It May Concern,

Below I have pasted in an email I sent Monday to what
is supposedly the engineering group for Netflix; a Netflix telephone
representative gave me the address. Today someone told me about your
group, and I applaude you for your efforts that certainly seem to be
the motivating factor for Netflix to start providing AD. Please let me
know if you have any suggestions on any of the issues covered in my
post below.


Tim Ford

From: Tim Ford <mailto:ttford@...>

Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:57 PM

To: <mailto:technicalresearch@...>

Cc: <mailto:janemarie.rose@...>

Subject: Netflix not accessible to blind people using
a laptop and screen reading software.

Dear Netflix,

I am blind, and use a Windows 7 laptop. Up until a
week or so ago, your web site was extremely hard to navigate, but at
least I could start a video. Now, after your web page design changes
implemented a few days ago, I cannot even start a video.

I am using the latest update of JAWS version 16; JAWS
is the world’s most widely used screen reading software for the blind.
I tried accessing your service with IE, Firefox, and Chrome, but could
not get a video to start. With IE, I cannot even activate my profile.

I am a fairly experienced Internet user, and if there
is a way to navigate your site with a screen reader, I have not figured
it out. I am using the recommended common settings for JAWS, and I
have no problems with some other video streaming services.

Back a few weeks ago, Netflix announced the addition
of audio description. That is a great move, and I applaud you for
that. However, in a very ironic twist, it is not possible for a blind
person to select the audio described version, even though one is on the
part of your site that contains only audio described programs. Why add
that extra step? If one is on the audio description page, the user
obviously wants the audio described version, so why not make that the

In general, there seems to be a huge gap between your
marketing department and the technology group. Netflix marketing is
advertising this new and wonderful audio description service, but a
blind person simply cannot navigate the site, especially after the
rollout of your new web page design.

In closing, I am using a Windows laptop, and I do not
have a smart phone. The issues I am asking you to please fix are just
for us old-fashioned blind folks using a Windows computer.

I know from experience that screen reader
accessibility is a very narrow specialty and skill set, so if you do
not have such an expert on staff, you could either hire one or contract
with one of the accessibility consultant experts that will help you
become and stay accessible.

I am happy to volunteer by helping you test any
changes; I have done that in the past for a number of web service
companies. Please advise, and much thanks.


Tim Ford

Phone: 916-538-6415


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Maria Campbell

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