Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Fired up the coffee pot hahahah.
Lets see what researchit says according to the climate on this side of
Washington.

Updated: 12:21 PM PST on December 06, 2012 Observed at Phend Rd., Pasco,
Washington
Temperature: 47.5°F / 8.6°C
Windchill: 44°F / 7°C
Humidity: 77%
Dew Point: 41°F / 5°C
Wind: SSW at 8.0 mph / 12.9 km/h
Pressure: 30.12 in / 1020 hPa (Falling)
Conditions: Mostly Cloudy
Visibility: 10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

kimsan,

depending on the speed my screen reader is reading do i get charged by the
second or minute for your little trainning help below...LOL is it cold over
there on that side of the mountain and did you fire up the pot since it is
leagel now...LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 08:19
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Lauren:
As far as which screen reader is "more powerful". My suggestion would
be to Install demos for all the screen readers you are curious about.
Window eyes just released their latest version and I hear its not to
bad.
I believe when asking which is better, powerful, etc, you will receive
hundreds of opinions and will discombobulate your mind.
NVDA is free, system access, www.satogo.com, an of course you have
jaws and window eyes.
hth

--
Kimsan Song
Access Technology Trainer
Phone: 1-877-774-7670
www.BlindAccessTraining.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

It is very confusing. Maybe I never figured out all the stuff Jaws is
suppose to do since half the time with any version I could not get it
to read text in jaws mode or tell me what I'm trying to change in
spell checker. Aside though, getting back to the topic, how accessible
is Window Eyes versus Jaws? I want to be able to read texts, edit
them, navigate my way around a web page in less than an hour, etc.

Is Window Eyes more powerful than a voice over for the Mac?



Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 08:04
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I am sorry that I did not find this email earlier.
My experience with the Mac system is setting them up and installing
Microsoft Office and what ever else needs to be added, most of the
time
installing Mountain Lion.
If a person is starting over, the Mac will save them a lot of money,
asuming that the hardware holds up.
I do not own a Mac, but I will within the month.
The Mac is no good to a low vision user who may use ZoomText with
enlargement 4X or larger, but they can get away with using it with
lower
enlargement. But ZoomText may come out with a Mac version and
change
all
that.
I am a JAWS user since Windows 3.11, and JAWS has changed how they
do business and I do not thinks it is good. I do like JAWS 14, but
have
only
use it a little.
The future for me is using both the Mac and Windows. When the
Veterans
Administration switches to Windows 8, I will have to get a Windows
8 computer.

My experience with Voice Over is limited, but I know totally blind
who use
it. I know it is not as powerful as JAWS, but how many people use
all the
features of JAWS, not many that I have trained. But on this list
you
will
find a lot of computer users that are JAWS Power users.

But buying a new system, if money is not an issue, it does not
matter
what
you buy. But if money is an issue, $200. per year upgrade price of
JAWS
is
something that should be considered. If I were starting over, I
would go
with Windows Eyes for a screen readered if I needed a Windows
system, other wise I would go with the Mac.
But I am not spending the money, and the byer got a lot of input,
and
I am
sure that what ever the byer chooses, she will be happy.
When I train someone on adaptive software, usually the first session
leaves the person in a position where they want to destroy the new
computer,
but
after the third session, they are very happy and will tell us things
they
could do now that they could not do, so what ever the choice, hang
in their, it does not take long to get over the hump.
John

My experience with voice over is in support of enlargement and
training
from
the Apple store in voice over.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John Sherrer,
Wild and unsupported assertions like this cast doubt on your other
claims,
such as for the accessibility of MS Office on Apple computers. If
you're
willing to risk libeling Avast and the Czech Republic, you'd better
link
to
legitimate news sources, and if you're going to claim MS Office is
accessible on apple, you ought to state if you're saying so from
your
own
experience. It's hard enough selecting the right versions of JAWS,
Office,
Windows and other applications without complicating the decision
process
with vague claims for Apple. I, too, wish Apple provided the same
level of
voice support that we get with JAWS for real-world office and other
work.
Aesthetically, Apple products are very desirable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John
Sherrer
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:38 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

If you buy Avast which is from the Chek Republic you are supporting
the
sale
of 12 year old girls into prostitution. They are sold buy their
parents
and
the government looks the other way since it is illegal.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan
Maher
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes that is true, all I am saying is that it doesn't mean everybody
must
run
now for avast on this list, I'm sure you get my point don't you? Its
stil
personal preference.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
You said you liked the lady that talked to you. I just bought it
for us because Aidan told me that AVG was getting more unaccessible
ad essentials is fine but it blocks windows defender from working.
We
had
a long discussion about this on facebook and Avast seemed to be the
best out of what is available.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Wel avast is good so far, but again, its not to say that there is
no
other good antivirus, its just I came to no its accessible and it
work quite wel. I just like the audible feedback you get with
system
messages. But if windows defender can do the job in windows8 then
its
fine I guess. All personal preference.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Well we did update but we learnt the hard way. Aidan and I both
had
updated our systems everytime there was a windows issue and now I
have a typing problem and not even avast solved that. That's also
a
good idea. On windows 8, people can use Avast. Aidan raved how
good
that was. Maybe people can try that and see. Its a good program.
Maybe you can add to that Aidan. What is your experiences with
AVast.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes it is sad, but a good anti virus will do the trick. I often
found that many of these so called security updates sometimes
make
something rong wich were rite. So I don't update unless if I
find service packs and system updates.

On 03/12/2012, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
The main drawback in losing MS support for XP , as well as
Outlook
2003, in that users will no longer receive security patches.

MS support ends on april 8, 2014:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working
with
windows XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not
mistaken, Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine
with XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major
upgrades in the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio
applications, I'll be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in
order that they work. And that presumes that I don't upgrade to
a
newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the
very least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of
software, and JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to
upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a
lot
more stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard
that
windows 8 is not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and
that upgrade is a lot of money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a
computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you
have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an
entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-
jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to
Jaws 14, is that very expensive and how accessible is Windows
8
given
that it's a touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to
go
with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something
that
will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-
jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are
incompetent when knowing how to help a blind person navigate
a
MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and
iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by
helping them help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting
with
me for some keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play
around on my own and the so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will
they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on
caffeine,
like so many of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean
using
a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they
had terrible experiences with reps in apple stores and
didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to
the statement about reps in the stores and how much they
know how to use voice over and provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice
over training at BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire
team is comprised of totally blind individuals and have
experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the
friendliest and most helpful folks you will be able to find,
well, I don't care if they are friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use
numbers
on my IPhone to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to
excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no
preference
over the other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf
Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really
know
how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show
how
well it works with various applications. Even if you found
a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend
working with a Mac in a store environment to get a good idea
of
how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a
while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks
who
had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks
like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was
quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious office
work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-
based
PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft
has never made much effort to write their Office software to
be
accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to
find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions
on
the Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of
podcasts that have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind
Cool
Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful.
I
don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little Google
searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store,
making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit
with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way
I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean
using
a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used
Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy
or
switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money
for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any
less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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