If you find that your JAWS upgrade is high, get Windows Eyes, it only
upgrades about every three years. JAWS has turned greedy and upgrades every
year, but it seems that version 14 is a good one.
John
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:10 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or 13? I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work for me without having to take out a mortgage. Thanks, Sincerely, Lauren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31 Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Kimsan,
I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.
I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn? And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.
I try to always take more than what they have to offer.
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training
at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?
In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.
Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.
Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Lauren,
As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi,
Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?
I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.
Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
Sincerely,
Lauren
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