-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: support@...
Subject: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers

Good afternoon everyone,

Do you think giving out your JFW serial number to a public forum
where it can be stolen and used by those with malicious intent is a good
idea?
Let's, think, this, over!

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message -----
From: <northstar1950@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0 and my serial number 56xx.



Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/3/2012 09:56 AM, Shawn Keen said:
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Hi,
Think I got in around 2.24 and my serial is 70XX

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Moore" <ka5eta@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

Just to put some more numbers into the conversation. The first

version of

Jaws that I got was 1.xx and my cearal number is 3xxx as you can see

that
is

a four digit

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert
Loguenumber. Got it in 1993 I think.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Started with version six and my sn is 402xxx.

We are just guessing.

On 10/2/2012 5:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

hmm I have 49747 but I believe my first version was 4.0. I can't
remember clearly enough to be certain.



At 06:24 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:

Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5.

However

it may be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first
digits as the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with
version 3.5. Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version, and might change the serial prefix with each new version.
We'd have to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of
this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:

Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people

use

JAWS.

There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified

as

legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of
acquiring

computers

or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS

users

do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it.
But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of
JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but

this

is only a wild guess not

based on

any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition

All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick

Feature

Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I

have

a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a

sign-up

goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of

JAWS

users

that should sign such a petition to be considered a success.

One

of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.

Does

anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry

of

off-topic discussions again.

2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition

to

be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would anyone on the

list

perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were

not

always congruent.

In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


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