Re: JFW Petition and Serial Numbers


Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

peter, a serial number is not a full authorization, locking code, etc. Please engage your brain.



At 01:09 PM 10/3/2012, you wrote:
Good afternoon everyone,

Do you think giving out your JFW serial number to a public forum where
it can be stolen and used by those with malicious intent is a good idea?
Let's, think, this, over!

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message -----
From: <northstar1950@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0 and my serial number 56xx.



Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/3/2012 09:56 AM, Shawn Keen said:
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Hi,
Think I got in around 2.24 and my serial is 70XX

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Moore" <ka5eta@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Just to put some more numbers into the conversation. The first
version of
Jaws that I got was 1.xx and my cearal number is 3xxx as you
can see that
is
a four digit

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Robert
Loguenumber. Got it in 1993 I think.
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Started with version six and my sn is 402xxx.

We are just guessing.

On 10/2/2012 5:53 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
hmm I have 49747 but I believe my first version was 4.0. I can't
remember clearly enough to be certain.



At 06:24 PM 10/2/2012, you wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5.
However
it may be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first
digits as the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with
version 3.5. Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new
users per
version, and might change the serial prefix with each new
version.
We'd have to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be
sure of
this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using
a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in
late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very
recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall
population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean
using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7
Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or
users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind
people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10%
use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority of
blind people do not use computers, so the actual number
of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of
blind
people are unemployed, so they would have little or no
means of
acquiring
computers
or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS users
do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS
keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded
secret, so
nobody really knows how many blind people are actually
using it.
But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the
number of
JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000,
but this
is only a wild guess not
based on
any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific
"Gimmick
Feature
Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing
so, I have
a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps
requires) a
sign-up
goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number
of JAWS
users
that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One
of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use
JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What
would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a
flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little
awkward when
it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but
there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this
petition to
be on the most accessible public petition Website possible.
Would anyone on the
list
perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting
assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests
were not
always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


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